Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1081433...said every genocidal dictator ever.

If people are not IN your country then in order to genocide them you have to go over to THEIR country. Which is the opposite of what Bradford wants. Keep the SJWs in their lovely country and everyone can live in peace.

Would you let a known robber in your house?  No.

Would you want a very corrupt person be police chief?  No.

Would you want a armed serial killer next to your love ones?  No.

So why would you want sjws into your hobby?  They will steal the thing you love.  They will corrupt it till there is nothing left to save.  If you try to fight back they will want to kill you.

Quote from: Kael;1081441Hmm...off-topic NFL rant #2. And what about those that chose to stand which was the vast majority, even in the face of harsh criticism? You don't feel the need to support them in their cause?

Gee, Shark, we sure do thank you for (as you put it): "[dragging your] fucking political ideology into everything in society, everywhere. [Your] ideological gibberish [is] designed to take the game away from being focused on gaming, and shifting it to focus on [your] ideological topics of drama and feelings."

You are no different than those you baby cry about it seems.

We got it loud and clear, Shark, you are anti-freedom and triggered by protesters. You certainly have the right to be both and to watch or not watch whatever you please. You also have the freedom to bless this forum with your own "drama and feelings" and political ideologies despite you disliking it when others do the same.

So, I guess until Pundit says this conversation is off-topic too, I may as well ask: You really think private employees should be fired for their dissenting political views and ideologies? I thought pro-freedom conservatives despised that kind of thing? Isn't being fired, "unpersoned," or "deplatformed" for an unpopular or even just a right-wing political view like a major conservative talking point these days? Any reason why that wouldn't apply here or to the RPG industry?

Again, these posts of yours are inserting your own political ideologies into our everyday lives much like these players you bemoan so much do. So come to think of it, you actually have a lot in common with them!

No surprise there since it's truly sad how soft, whiny, and emotionally fragile we've become as a society that the mere sight of a protester would trigger folks and cause such consternation and emotional distress.

Only an overly sensitive, commie special snowflake would demand respect for an ideology or else face tangible consequences from our corporate overlords. I mean, isn't this exactly what conservatives hate about the liberal media/tech/entertainment companies? Why the hypocrisy and double-standard?

Also, how many private jobs force you to stand for the National Anthem out of "respect"? Go ahead and make a list for me as I'm genuinely curious since I'm not aware of any. That would be a nice little proto-communist precedent to set and one I'm sure you'd applaud as you seem to be in favor of a citizenry and fan-base that espouses corporate-mandated patriotism. Sounds just like cultural-Marxism to me.

The best thing about this country is that we don't have such Orwellian policies. Soldiers have fought and died for these freedoms that you would so casually like to have removed and citizens publicly shamed for exercising.

Maybe you should be the one showing some respect to flag and country...

Greetings!

Kael, did you read my post? I said that I am very much a supporter of our freedom of speech rights. I also said that I am definitely not a fan of Fascism or Communism. I am a military veteran, having served in the United States Marine Corps. You do know what that entails, right? By long-standing policy, those recruits that have ever been members of the Communist party or supporters thereof, are summarily dismissed from the Marine Corps. Past training in Boot Camp, such members embracing such political ideology are subject to formal punishment and sanction, including reduction in rank, fines, imrisonment, and a dishonourable discharge from the United States Marine Corps. I assume very similar regulations are embraced by the other branches of the military, and pursue such through the UCMJ.

Regarding football, did you read what I posted? Playing professional football is a job. With an employer, and  work-place. With professional requirements, and required standards of behavior, dress, conduct and speech. In my job, and most professional places of employment, violation of such standards typically result in getting eventually or immediately fired. The football players are employees, of a company, like most other people. I expect such insulting, rude, and inappropriate behavior to be swiftly and strictly punished, rather than coddled and tolerated. If employees at many companies I know of had acted in such ways causing customers and clients to feel insulted and disrespected, such employees would be strictly disciplined, and fired promptly on subsequent episodes and defiant refusal to adhere to corporate standards of work performance and client relations. The football players that "took a knee" is rude, insuting, and disrespectful to the military, to our country, and to the fans and *customers* of the game. That isn't good for professional football.

Football players that stand for the National Anthem? Of course, I don't have any problem with them at all. They are right in showing respect for our military, our flag, and our national Anthem. And they are not behaving in a manner that is rude, insulting, and disrspectful to the fans and customers. I have always supported such dignified and professional players. I never said that I didnt support them in my post.

In our game hobby, the SJW's like to shift the focus of the hobby from being focused on the game, on adventure, on heroism, to being focused on transphobia, homosexual relationships, racist oppression, misogyny, and all manner of psychological dysfunction and Identity politics. Such attitudes and ideology is not good for our hobby.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: S'mon;1081452If people are not IN your country then in order to genocide them you have to go over to THEIR country. Which is the opposite of what Bradford wants. Keep the SJWs in their lovely country and everyone can live in peace.

But we're in the same country, it seems to me. Or at least, I don't see how it is going to be divided.

Even given varying definitions of who is an SJW, I'm pretty sure that the majority of players in my D&D5 campaign and my FATE campaign would probably be considered SJWs. It seems clear to me that there are SJWs who enjoy D&D, Call of Cthulhu, and many other traditional RPGs. If we play the same games and go to the same conventions and so forth, how are we not in the same country? theRPGsite can portion off story games into the Other Games forum - but that only weakly correlates to SJWism, and it doesn't apply to the wider world.

Are there any specific steps you can think of to keep SJWs in their own country?

Quote from: jhkim;1081459Are there any specific steps you can think of to keep SJWs in their own country?

I guess refusing to pander to them? Eg 'no politics' rules deter them from Internet forums. Not giving them the game content they want. Not engaging with their demands - not debating them. A major characteristic of SJWs is that they won't just sit down and play - "Everything is Political".

If someone of left wing views is happy to sit down and play a regular game of D&D with me then by definition they are not an SJW. The Warrior bit refers to how they can never let up.

I think it's hard to keep SJWs out of conventions. They love wrecking conventions. I guess one can ban individual SJWs for specific behaviour such as targeted harrassment of the convention organisers and other attendees, but either they attack conventions they're not attending (eg Chris Helton's attack on NTRPG Con last year) or they sneak in then cause trouble at the con itself.

Mm, perhaps some kind of behaviour code. Call it an "Anti-Harassment Code"....  

We can create "Safe Spaces" where SJW hate and violence is not tolerated. Where it happens, as with that comics guy (Hambly?) attacked by an SJW, the SJW should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and their victim supported.

Really, the more I think about it, the more I think an active policy of SJW-exclusion has great merit. It's the "Paradox of Tolerance" problem - tolerate the intolerant (SJWs) and your tolerant society will be destroyed.

Quote from: Kael;1081442Very true. But it wasn't just the fans. It was also the owners, teammates, corporate sponsors, right-wing media, and the POTUS. I believe "sonsabitches" is the term he used.

So basically:

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Basically, no.

"You're changing history. You're changing culture, and you had people--and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/read-the-transcript-of-donald-trumps-jaw-dropping-press-conference.html

Quote from: Snowman0147;1081457Would you let a known robber in your house?  No.

Quote from: Frederick DouglassIt is just as criminal to rob a man of his right to speak and hear as it would be to rob him of his money.

Perhaps I should look at the robber and say, "No constable. I gave him the silverware. But in his haste to leave, he forgot the cups and glasses too." Or perhaps Bishop Myriel was a fool.

Quote from: Jaeger;1081449SJW's don't care about supreme court decisions.

And?

Quote'Problematic' issues like the wanton killing of dark skinned Orcs in D&D is the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater to them.

And?

QuoteThey want people who think different than them gone.

And?

QuoteAnd they will act on it by regulating your speech.

And?

QuoteBy trying to run out all non-SJW RPG's and gamers out of the hobby.

So your response is to try and run everyone who disagrees with you out of the hobby by regulating their speech because they think differently than you about issues which you find problematic in your willingness to find a reason to disregard supreme court wisdom?

Personally, I welcome SJWs. I would never have realized how terrible their arguments and tactics are if they hadn't tried to shoehorn them into the "community". It gave me an opportunity to recognize the flaws and pitfalls of identity politics, and refine my arguments against it.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1081464And?
...And? x4...

 So your response is to try and run everyone who disagrees with you out of the hobby by regulating their speech because they think differently than you about issues which you find problematic in your willingness to find a reason to disregard supreme court wisdom?

I don't want to ..."run everyone who disagrees with me out of the hobby."

People disagree with me about all kinds of things, and I with them, all the time. That's normal.

I do want to:

Run anyone out of the hobby that wants to run me out of the hobby, just because I do not share their ideology.

I have my own rules about who can and cannot be at my table when I GM. And I have my own rules about who I game with. Nobody is going to force me to change those rules based on their politics.

With the game group I play with on saturdays: Politics are left at the door. Althrough we do occasionally have a political discussion outside of the game itself. It is left to the side when we are gaming. And that's exactly how I like it.

My personal preference is to play with adult gamers. So I don't have to deal with any potential problems with parents. It's stress i don't need.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1081465Personally, I welcome SJWs. I would never have realized how terrible their arguments and tactics are if they hadn't tried to shoehorn them into the "community". It gave me an opportunity to recognize the flaws and pitfalls of identity politics, and refine my arguments against it.

Thank you. That's exactly what I'm getting at.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1081461Basically, no.

Basically, yes. From your link:

"Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It's just a meme joke, but the quotes are accurate.

I don't take anything any politician says seriously and we all know the media can spin almost any statement one way or another. I don't think Trump is as a bad as many people make him out to be. I just wish his messaging was a little more consistent. Regardless, his legacy will ultimately be his wall (TBD), much as Obama's legacy will be Obamacare (a dud.)

Quote from: Jaeger;1081467I don't want to ..."run everyone who disagrees with me out of the hobby."

People disagree with me about all kinds of things, and I with them, all the time. That's normal.

I do want to:

Run anyone out of the hobby that wants to run me out of the hobby, just because I do not share their ideology.

So you only want to run some people out of the hobby for speech. I suppose that's better in the same analogous sense of murder isn't as bad as genocide.

Quote from: Kael;1081475Basically, yes. From your link:

"Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It's just a meme joke, but the quotes are accurate.

I don't take anything any politician says seriously and we all know the media can spin almost any statement one way or another. I don't think Trump is as a bad as many people make him out to be. I just wish his messaging was a little more consistent. Regardless, his legacy will ultimately be his wall (TBD), much as Obama's legacy will be Obamacare (a dud.)

In the same speech, Trump said what was in my quote, which directly and explicity contradicts the meme image you posted.