Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

Oh fuck him and fuck you, you useless cunting milquetoast.  

Grove stepped into the Mosh Pit, got bodychecked by nearly everybody and is still around.  abc_z's (gee, wonder if it's a throwaway account) a "new" poster who made the account months ago.  He hasn't read enough of the site to know elbows get thrown, then he an idiot.  If he can't take the response to a post like that and come back with at least "Screw you guys", then he ain't gonna make it here.

But, no, the answer is the simplest, Troll Post from Troll Account.

Goddamn, could you just go away and give your account to the real Mr. T?  He's way fucking smarter than you. He pities the fool that can't spot a Troll Post.

Quote from: TristramEvans;923419I'm not that desperate for players, so I guess "no patience" is the answer? Or maybe I'm perceiving deeper problems in the OP's account than you're seeing?

Nah, that's just the Euro-Anarchist "there is nothing, ever, I will not argue with" contrarian side of him coming out.

Also he's younger, he hasn't realized some people just aren't worth the time, because he has a lot more of it.

Quote from: TristramEvans;923419I'm not that desperate for players, so I guess "no patience" is the answer? Or maybe I'm perceiving deeper problems in the OP's account than you're seeing?

I don't know how deep are the problems you're perceiving:).
And I don't need more players than already live with me, so "desperate for players" is about as far from true as it could be. It's a matter of principle to me to not push people away, unless I perceive them as truly hopeless cases.
Well, or unless we get into a personal conflict, but in that case, they just don't count;).

Quote from: CRKrueger;923435Nah, that's just the Euro-Anarchist "there is nothing, ever, I will not argue with" contrarian side of him coming out.

Also he's younger, he hasn't realized some people just aren't worth the time, because he has a lot more of it.

It might be the latter, but I'm not exactly an Anarchist:p.
The other part is easy to tell, too, just remind me of this thread in 2026 and I'll tell you whether my perspective has changed with age:D!

Quote from: AsenRG;923453I don't know how deep are the problems you're perceiving:).

I see them as pretty deep--but am also in the "troll!" belief category. The player in question was not interested in playing the game and did nothing but insult and ignore any attempt to engage them. And thinks they did nothing wrong.

Somebody that obtuse isn't worth spending time on. But like many here, I have the players I need, and they're awesome.

Quote from: Tod13;923460Somebody that obtuse isn't worth spending time on. But like many here, I have the players I need, and they're awesome.

For what it's worth he is at least nominally trying to get better. He did come looking for help.  

And I don't think it's a troll account. Too much detail,  too slice of life, I've met guys like that.  Who think role playing is about pretending to be cool.  

But also I really don't understand the appeal if trolling.

Is there a word for people who troll by trolling the people who call troll?

It does seem like a troll to me, but I've seen enough way-off-base perspectives (even ones that I wish were trolling and seem like it because they use language that seems too obviously self-mocking or to say things that I'd think should indicate knowing better) on RPG forums that I can't be entirely sure.

And I agree with the idea that it's more interesting to reply to the idea, if we have anything interesting to say about it, than to call out the troll, unless it's just ridiculous and time-wasting to do anything else.

I wasn't going to reply, but then it occurred to me that I have met and gamed with many very paranoid players. I have seen that it is quite possible to get a fun paranoid game just by mentioning mundane details of ordinary non-adventure situations and daily life to players, and watching them leap to conclusions and take weird actions.

Also I thought it was worth mentioning that the VR session could be a decent way to learn a new RPG system without actually killing off PCs right away.

Also it could be the GM or someone who got into a discussion somewhere else and is coming here posting a hypothetical story as if it were really someone posting that, to get feedback for that other discussion.

Quote from: Headless;923463For what it's worth he is at least nominally trying to get better. He did come looking for help.  

And I don't think it's a troll account. Too much detail,  too slice of life, I've met guys like that.  Who think role playing is about pretending to be cool.  

But also I really don't understand the appeal if trolling.

But the attitude wasn't "what went wrong" --or at least didn't come across that way to me. The attitude was "how do I get my GM not to be horrible"?

And, to a degree, possibly more importantly, the OP hasn't posted anything else since.

Quote from: Tod13;923460I see them as pretty deep--but am also in the "troll!" belief category. The player in question was not interested in playing the game and did nothing but insult and ignore any attempt to engage them. And thinks they did nothing wrong.

Somebody that obtuse isn't worth spending time on. But like many here, I have the players I need, and they're awesome.

Yeah, I call that "newbies don't know better".
Just like many here, I have all the players I need, and they're awesome, but I want to teach new people to play.

Quote from: Skarg;923464Is there a word for people who troll by trolling the people who call troll?

Quadratic trolls:D?

Quote from: Skarg;923464Is there a word for people who troll by trolling the people who call troll?

"Ettining"?

Quote from: AsenRG;923485Yeah, I call that "newbies don't know better".
Just like many here, I have all the players I need, and they're awesome, but I want to teach new people to play.

I'm also factoring in the fact they've never responded.

Quote from: Headless;923463For what it's worth he is at least nominally trying to get better. He did come looking for help.  

And I don't think it's a troll account. Too much detail,  too slice of life, I've met guys like that.  Who think role playing is about pretending to be cool.  

But also I really don't understand the appeal if trolling.

I just didn't get any of that from the OP. To me it looked like a pure troll job. I still answered sincerely but I seriously doubted the sincerity of the OP.

Though I wonder what the reaction would have been had the OP said they were a girl and the GM was a guy.

Odds are half the posters calling troll would have instead been backing her in her battle against the vile railroading DM.

Quote from: Omega;923503Though I wonder what the reaction would have been had the OP said they were a girl and the GM was a guy.

Odds are half the posters calling troll would have instead been backing her in her battle against the vile railroading DM.

I really don't think so at all. This just sounded like a troll job or a really crappy player who didn't have any patience with a new GM, whether it was a man or woman.

Quote from: Omega;923503Though I wonder what the reaction would have been had the OP said they were a girl and the GM was a guy.

Odds are half the posters calling troll would have instead been backing her in her battle against the vile railroading DM.

My reaction would have been to change the word "boyfriend" to "girlfriend" in my post. A douchebag is still a douchebag, regardless of genitalia.
That is called equality.

Damn guys, if he was a troll, then he won, because here you are still discussing this.