Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

I think you have a great point (you're dead right) but you're kind of doing the same thing here.  No need for the forum to insult the OP, and no need for you to insult the forum.  With the rest of the forum, nobody wants to be the guy who got tricked by a troll.  Personally, I don't actually care if I got fooled into giving a serious reply for a fake question.

In fact, I think this was the best point of the thread:

Quote from: AsenRG;923294Guys, just for the record - I don't care if it's a troll. I've seen such behaviour in new players.
Might be useful to discuss good approaches to help them overcome it.

Why don't we see more maturity like this online?  We're all supposedly adults, here.

Lately, I've learned to simply drop the insults from my online comments.  It's actually quite easy, but it took me a long time to come to the realization that I should do this.

Shitty, unhelpful player who did nothing to allow his significant other to develop any GM chops. He assumes she's doing it wrong then fucks up her game. Douche. Advice? Stop being a prick and try to have some actual fun.

Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

So... as usual... you didnt bother to read the opening post and went straight to attacking the responses...

Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

Assuming the guy wasn't trolling - which is an assumption that seems incredibly naive to me - what about the OP makes you think he deserves "help"? Is everyone who is a self-absorbed douchebag roleplayer suddenly entitled to mockery free relationship advice from us? I must have missed that part in the site's charter.

Quote from: TristramEvans;923366Assuming the guy wasn't trolling - which is an assumption that seems incredibly naive to me - what about the OP makes you think he deserves "help"?

Is everyone who is a self-absorbed douchebag roleplayer suddenly entitled to mockery free relationship advice from us? I must have missed that part in the site's charter.

1: To me it just reads like standard opposing playstyles with a dash of possible railroad aversion on the players part turning the session into a train wreck. IE: Nothing new here. Look at the opposed responses to rgroves posts on his particular style here for one recent example.

2: Maybee Headless thought he was on BGG? :rolleyes:

Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

We can definitely be assholes here but the post smelled like trolling to us all and he would have gotten it just as bad at any other forum for that particular post. Also, the guy registered here a while back and this was his first post. It is the nature of forums. People are cagey with new posters.

Really, does ANYBODY seriously think this isn't a troll?

Quote from: AsenRG;923294Guys, just for the record - I don't care if it's a troll. I've seen such behaviour in new players.
Might be useful to discuss good approaches to help them overcome it.

"Don't be an asshole" covers it all.  Seriously.  That's why I refuse to believe it's not a troll; how did somebody with such poor social skills get a girlfriend.

No credibility at all.

My hat of bad trolls know no limit.

Quote from: AsenRG;923294Guys, just for the record - I don't care if it's a troll. I've seen such behaviour in new players.
Might be useful to discuss good approaches to help them overcome it.

Mighty smackings and whackings heaped upon the head?

No game can survive relentless antagonism between the players and the GM. And I find the more freeform it is, the more buy-in is required from the players right off the bat.

Quote from: Headless;923335Of course he's not back.  He asked for help and he got three pages telling him he sucks a role playing.  With a couple of 'you're a bad person' and 'why are you such a dick to someone tring to spend time with you' thrown in for good measure.

You guys are ass holes to people who come here asking for help.  And it seams you are just about as clueless as the OP about what you are doing wrong.

Why, do you think him to be a decent player? I wouldn't. But I also have the experience to take him aside for a chat and give him...the same pointers I posted in my first post in the thread, actually.
His GF didn't have that kind of experience.

And yeah, I agree the tone could be less harsh, towards a new member. Alas for said member, that's TheRPGSite: you don't come here unless you're prepared to deal with scathing criticism.

Quote from: Edgewise;923339In fact, I think this was the best point of the thread:


Why don't we see more maturity like this online?  We're all supposedly adults, here.

Lately, I've learned to simply drop the insults from my online comments.  It's actually quite easy, but it took me a long time to come to the realization that I should do this.

First, thanks for the praise:).

Second, I'd note that most people that add insults to their comments assumed him to be a troll. Insulting trolls? That's gotta be a tradition at least since Gandalf did it for a whole night...

Now, maybe the should have given it the benefit of the doubt. But it was an adequate reaction given their assumptions.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;923378Really, does ANYBODY seriously think this isn't a troll?

I'm still not sure. I've probably seen people like that too often to be able to take 20 on the Disbelieve save.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;923379"Don't be an asshole" covers it all.  Seriously.

No, it doesn't, until you explain also why that's something an asshole would do. Believe it or not: many people don't get it by themselves.
Gary, biggest mistake, players - according to you.

QuoteThat's why I refuse to believe it's not a troll; how did somebody with such poor social skills get a girlfriend.

I've seen this happening, too. Online dating seems to work even for people with poor social skills;).

Quote from: TristramEvans;923394Mighty smackings and whackings heaped upon the head?

While amusing in and of itself, it's less practical if you want them to come to next session having learned something.

Quote from: Harg of the City Afar;923398No game can survive relentless antagonism between the players and the GM. And I find the more freeform it is, the more buy-in is required from the players right off the bat.

There's no disputing that:D!
So the OP should learn how to be less antagonistic.

Quote from: AsenRG;923401While amusing in and of itself, it's less practical if you want them to come to next session having learned something.

Oh, I don't want him coming back. The rehabilitation required for that sort of tool requires years.

Quote from: TristramEvans;923403Oh, I don't want him coming back. The rehabilitation required for that sort of tool requires years.

Either your friends are bigger tools than mine when it comes to roleplaying, I'm a better teacher, or you just have no patience. You tell me which one it is, but I still wouldn't push away anyone who wants to play:).

Also, nobody has ever needed years, in my memory, before improving to a decent level, given constant tips;).

Quote from: AsenRG;923416Either your friends are bigger tools than mine when it comes to roleplaying, I'm a better teacher, or you just have no patience. You tell me which one it is, but I still wouldn't push away anyone who wants to play:).

I'm not that desperate for players, so I guess "no patience" is the answer? Or maybe I'm perceiving deeper problems in the OP's account than you're seeing?