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Why Entryists Can't Destroy D&D

Started by RPGPundit, March 15, 2019, 02:30:35 AM

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Christopher Brady

#75
March 20, 2019, 01:49:33 AM
Quote from: Snowman0147;1079874What is between her legs?

Something probably very, VERY happy.
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Omega

#77
March 20, 2019, 03:28:43 AM Last Edit: March 20, 2019, 03:57:29 AM by Omega
Quote from: S'mon;1079872I guess Lake Geneva attitudes can occasionally grate, but in the early stuff they didn't take themselves too seriously. When it comes to the 1990s, the one thing that always bugged me was the art, use of real people in stuff like this

Umm... news flash. That is not a photo. That is a painting. The artist used live models. You are aware some artists use live models right? And some are really good at capturing that on canvas. Right?

Addendum: Could also be a photo collage used as a base. There was one artist way back for 2e who pulled images for the bases from movies. John and Laura Lakey if I recall right. Though I am pretty sure they also used live models.

Christopher Brady

#78
March 20, 2019, 03:31:27 AM
Quote from: S'mon;1079921That's a sporran.

Is that what it's doin' into her?
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S'mon

#79
March 20, 2019, 04:46:04 AM
Quote from: Omega;1079931Umm... news flash. That is not a photo. That is a painting. The artist used live models. You are aware some artists use live models right? And some are really good at capturing that on canvas. Right?

Umm... news flash. That is exactly what I was complaining about. "Two of the artist's friends and a stripper from the agency" does not a good look make IMO.

Omega

#80
March 20, 2019, 05:13:58 AM
It is allways hilarious when someone complains that an artist is too good. :rolleyes:

S'mon

#81
March 20, 2019, 06:11:07 AM
Quote from: Omega;1079938It is allways hilarious when someone complains that an artist is too good. :rolleyes:

Please stop being a twat.

RPGPundit

#82
March 21, 2019, 04:35:41 AM
Quote from: Omega;1079938It is allways hilarious when someone complains that an artist is too good. :rolleyes:

It's pretty obvious that the complaint was that the two dudes look like local nerds from the Wisconsin game store, and that this is anachronistic and anti-heroic.
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March 21, 2019, 04:47:06 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1080058It's pretty obvious that the complaint was that the two dudes look like local nerds from the Wisconsin game store, and that this is anachronistic and anti-heroic.

Yes. Another one that particularly bugs me (but without the sex appeal), from 1994:



This 'Milwaukee Ren Faire' stuff seems specific to Forgotten Realms in the 1990s, TSR used very different art direction for their other settings. I'm not keen on some of the other art too, eg not a big fan of the Planescape art, but it doesn't have the creepy 'uncanny valley'-esque vibe of this stuff.

Omega

#84
March 21, 2019, 05:53:43 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1080058It's pretty obvious that the complaint was that the two dudes look like local nerds from the Wisconsin game store, and that this is anachronistic and anti-heroic.

What do you think most adventurers start out as, and probably are well into their careers.

And at a glance and at a guess that was the intent of the piece. A little poke at player characters or NPCs.

Haffrung

#85
March 21, 2019, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1080061Yes. Another one that particularly bugs me (but without the sex appeal), from 1994:.

Gah! MY EYES!

The creepy part is that they evidently got Sheryl from accounts payable to unbutton her blouse for the photo shoot.
 

S'mon

#86
March 21, 2019, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;1080115Gah! MY EYES!

The creepy part is that they evidently got Sheryl from accounts payable to unbutton her blouse for the photo shoot.

:D :D :D

Actually the listed artist duo is half female, so it's probably not as creepy as you think. But it's clearly a bunch of sedentary 1990s Midwesterners playing Ren Faire.

EOTB

#87
March 21, 2019, 03:40:22 PM
Most of the gamers I see at cons appear to have stubbornly held onto that exact aesthetic/style since the 90s.
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Ratman_tf

#88
March 21, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1079872I guess Lake Geneva attitudes can occasionally grate, but in the early stuff they didn't take themselves too seriously. When it comes to the 1990s, the one thing that always bugged me was the art, use of real people in stuff like this



It's both titillating, hilarious, and weirdly offputting - especially that sporran!

Yeah. I love 2nd ed, but I'm not going to defend the weird cosplay art stuff. Does anyone know the name of the artist who did that stuff?
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Ratman_tf

#89
March 21, 2019, 03:48:17 PM Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 03:52:10 PM by Ratman_tf
Quote from: Omega;1079931Addendum: Could also be a photo collage used as a base. There was one artist way back for 2e who pulled images for the bases from movies. John and Laura Lakey if I recall right. Though I am pretty sure they also used live models.

There it is. And holy shit. I mean, there's a piece in the 2nd ed PHB that's a dead ringer for the wizard/monster from Conan the Destroyer. It's hardly even worth mentioning, but now that we've got a tangent for it...

*edit* Found the piece.

https://www.lakeystudios.com/fantasy?lightbox=i4mg8

Some of it's pretty good, but a lot of it is eeehhhh….
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