As you know, these last few days we've been debating the future of political discussion on theRPGsite.  At the same time, the Admins have been having some pretty intense discussions about two posters who have received more complaints than pretty much anyone in the history of this forum.

On the subject of politics, you will be able to see that the conclusion of the public consultation was quite clear that people here still do want to talk politics. It was less clear as to whether or not they wanted to keep a specific Politics subforum.

Now, I was never very sure of the politics subforum in the first place, myself. I agreed to its creation because at that time, it was the elections, there were more political threads than usual, and.. guess who?... Cavscout and Jackalope were turning many of those threads into flamewars that drowned out non-political threads on OT.

However, the voting was very close, and one can argue that the Politics subforum creates a separation that keeps that certain type of discussion away from other areas.
So FOR THE MOMENT, the politics forum will stay. I may decide to reintegrate it with OT at any moment.

Now, regarding Jackalope and Cavscout. The admins had a discussion about this, and four of the Admins immediately and very strongly expressed themselves being in favour of banning Jackalope and Cavscout both from Politics and Off-topic. As usual, I found myself being the one most unwilling to take moderator action.

So in the end, and contrary to the wishes of the four other mods, I am going to forum-ban both Cavscout and Jackalope from the Politics sub-forum only.  That was a given, since the two, especially in combination, poisoned the well of the politics board so utterly that we had to have this whole debate in the first place.

Cavscout, Jackalope, both of you guys are relatively productive when you're talking about something other than politics, and I draw you both back to understanding that this is an RPG forum.  If either of you decide that because you can't argue politics on here anymore then you don't want to be here, I guess that's your deal, but it makes it really clear why you were really here in the first places, your motives are laid bare.

On the other hand, if you can get your political fix elsewhere, hopefully you will be able to keep posting for a long and peaceful time to come about gaming.
Of course, start to bring the same flaming or personal bullshit into other forums and things will not go well. And definitely do not bring politics into the other forums, or it will be your heads.

RPGPundit

Fuck this forum.

And fuck you too Pundit, and fuck all your faggot moderators who lump me in with CavScout -- an actual,intentional troll -- and fuck Hinterwelt and Spike and Jeff  and that rapist-in-waiting Koltar, and Engine and all the other stuff-shirt fucking HYPOCRITICAL fuckwits on this forum who are completely incapable of taking responsibility for their own behavior, their own disingenuousness, and their fucking pathetic need to put people in boxes.

You FUCKWITS decided my fate MONTHS AGO and have made every fucking effort to provoke me.  HinterWelt and Spike in particular love to blame me for agruments they start and they drag out for fucking ever.  Seriously, you fuckwads talk about how I turn threads into being all about me, but the REALITY is that some of you pieces of fucking crap are so fucking attached to your ideas that you can bear to fucking admit that my opinions might have value, so instead you turn thread after thread after thread into TAR AND FEATHER THE JACKALOPE, with your fucking ganging up on me and shredding my character, and then you FUCKING LOSER PIECES OF CRAP have the FUCKING AUDACITY to blame ME for the thread turning into a thread about me.  Maybe you TURDBURGLARS shouldn't have constantly changed the subject to me, huh?

It's stupid, boring fucking forum anyway, and it'll be dead in a year.

Well, it seems that Jackalope has proven his motives, which is a pity because I generally liked his posts on-topic about RPGs.

Too bad you feel that way, Jackalope, but really, you're welcome to keep posting here about RPGs, and even about OT subjects aside from politics. But your personal attacks as your chosen response, while understandable as just being upset, are really not doing you any favours.

Also, better people than you have predicted the death of this forum, and all have found themselves eating crow about it.

Anyways, we'll see what Cavscout's reaction is.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Jackalope;279749Fuck this forum.

And fuck you too Pundit, and fuck all your faggot moderators who lump me in with CavScout -- an actual,intentional troll -- and fuck Hinterwelt and Spike and Jeff  and that rapist-in-waiting Koltar, and Engine and all the other stuff-shirt fucking HYPOCRITICAL fuckwits on this forum who are completely incapable of taking responsibility for their own behavior, their own disingenuousness, and their fucking pathetic need to put people in boxes.

You FUCKWITS decided my fate MONTHS AGO and have made every fucking effort to provoke me.  HinterWelt and Spike in particular love to blame me for agruments they start and they drag out for fucking ever.  Seriously, you fuckwads talk about how I turn threads into being all about me, but the REALITY is that some of you pieces of fucking crap are so fucking attached to your ideas that you can bear to fucking admit that my opinions might have value, so instead you turn thread after thread after thread into TAR AND FEATHER THE JACKALOPE, with your fucking ganging up on me and shredding my character, and then you FUCKING LOSER PIECES OF CRAP have the FUCKING AUDACITY to blame ME for the thread turning into a thread about me.  Maybe you TURDBURGLARS shouldn't have constantly changed the subject to me, huh?

It's stupid, boring fucking forum anyway, and it'll be dead in a year.

Saved for posterity.

Quote from: Jackalope;279749You FUCKWITS...you fuckwads...you pieces of fucking crap...you FUCKING LOSER PIECES OF CRAP...you TURDBURGLARS...

Really? Really? You're going to end on turdburglars? I think you might have wanted to escalate steadily, and maybe avoid repetition. Probably your over-dependence on, a) profanity, and b) the word "fuck" in particular, has resulted in what I would consider an uncreative effort at best. Certainly not optimal, and definitely not your best work. For a parting shot, it's especially weak; now's the time to pull out the hot sauce, man! I give it a C-, and frankly that's being generous.

Anyway, I think it's a hard sell that the rest of us are the reason threads end up being about you. You're the person who's told us that your father was an abusive alcoholic military veteran, and your mom's sick, and you work a handful of hours a week and make a handful of dollars a year, and you've a sky-high IQ, and you were so physically weak as a child that you felt powerless and now like to wish-fulfill your way into power; those are all things you told us, and in so doing showed us the path - the direct route, the express train - to why you're the man you are today. None of that is our fault, Jack. You are who you are, and we did not make you that way.

I wish you well in your future endeavors, and go with my hope of your eventual happiness. There is worth in you, and we recognize it, even if it's not always communicated to you. Go well.

Jackalope and CavScout are just the first. If you don't want folks discussing politics, don't allow it at the site. Saying some folks can discuss it but others can't...well, that just takes us right into TBP territory, where everything is subjective, on some kind of slippery slope, where the mind police try to guess your motives for posting this or that, etc..

Seanchai

Jackalope and CavScout are just the first. If you don't want folks discussing politics, don't allow it at the site. Saying some folks can discuss it but others can't...well, that just takes us right into TBP territory, where everything is subjective, on some kind of slippery slope, where the mind police try to guess your motives for posting this or that, etc..

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;279829Jackalope and CavScout are just the first. If you don't want folks discussing politics, don't allow it at the site. Saying some folks can discuss it but others can't...well, that just takes us right into TBP territory, where everything is subjective, on some kind of slippery slope, where the mind police try to guess your motives for posting this or that, etc..

Seanchai

No, people can discuss politics, and they can hold political views IDENTICAL to either Jackalope or Cavscout's without being banned from it.

The issue wasn't their political statements, it was the fact that these two were INUNDATING the politics forum with thread-derailments, constant repetition and/or personal attacks, where they essentially killed the possibility of the forum being about anything other than their own selves.

There's only one person around here who gets to have a forum that's about him, and that's me. Jackalope and Cavscout were banned from the politics forum for the same reason Nox was, way back when; for threadcrapping.  This is not a shift in policy, it is a continuation of the same policy we have always had.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Engine;279820Really? Really? You're going to end on turdburglars?

No no, he didn't end on "turdburglars", he ended on TURDBURGLARS.  Not only is it the vocabulary of a ten year old, its the voice of one too.

QuoteI think you might have wanted to escalate steadily, and maybe avoid repetition. Probably your over-dependence on, a) profanity, and b) the word "fuck" in particular, has resulted in what I would consider an uncreative effort at best.

Um, frankly, if the alternative is brilliant and cutting vocab like "turdburglars", I think he'd have been WAY better off sticking to "fuck". I'm sure in his mind "turdburglars" was meant to sound really mean and insulting, but to me it just sounds utterly laughable. Its like what a schoolboy would say when he's in a shouting match with another schoolboy but he's worried his mommy is nearby and might hear him say a real "cuss word" and get himself grounded...

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;279839No no, he didn't end on "turdburglars", he ended on TURDBURGLARS.

Emphasis by capitalization is a sure sign of Terdbourghlhar's Disorder, a condition primarily characterized by the TENDENCY TO SPEAK TOO LOUD FOR RATIONAL CONVERSATION. It's generally caused by severe head trauma, proximity to artillery fire, or listening to Temples of Boom at 140db.

I'm not just the founder, I'M A CUSTOMER.

Quote from: RPGPundit;279839Um, frankly, if the alternative is brilliant and cutting vocab like "turdburglars", I think he'd have been WAY better off sticking to "fuck".

I know! Where's the subtlety, the artistry? Where are words like "skunkholer" and "baby diddler" and "batfuck shitbox?" Moreover - and this is the really disturbing bit - where are the creative death threats? Why didn't he say we'd all be crushed under a million gallons of cougar urine, or that he wishes our mothers would go back in time and chainsaw their wombs open?

It's sad to see a man in decline. I mean, unless you think it's funny, in which case you're probably some kind of stuff-shirt fucking HYPOCRITICAL fuckwit. [How does one fuck a stuffed shirt, anyway?]

You know when Pundit and I are A-teaming someone, it's bad. And if you don't know what I mean by that, you probably don't want to; it's a mental image you should spare yourself.

I do not find it surprising how this thread has evolved.  Sad, perhaps, but predictable.   I would have been shocked if Cavscout had flamed out, actually. Like I said, he seems more self aware, if no more useful.

And honestly? I feel a little sad for Jackalope. It might have been better for him to walk away before it came to this. I certainly did my part to encourage it. I also did my part to avoid, at the end, getting too roped into the round and round with him.  

Still, I feel vaguely like a guy who realized that some trains were about to collide and sat down to enjoy the inevitable collision. Now that it's occured I find myself wondering if I should have, I dunno, DONE something.  It wasn't half as entertaining as I thought.

Quote from: Spike;279850I would have been shocked if Cavscout had flamed out, actually.

Cav's very clever at doing the whole, "Who, me?" routine. One must appreciate the artistry, even if the art is deplorable. But Cav's trollery seems more good-natured, like the guy in the corner with the shit-eating grin who just caused a riot, whereas Jack's motives are darker, more introspective and self-fulfilling.

This thread should be viewed as Evolution in Action.

Quote from: RPGPundit;279837No, people can discuss politics, and they can hold political views IDENTICAL to either Jackalope or Cavscout's without being banned from it.

You say that and yet you also said when I arrived that the forums weren't moderated, that you don't ban people, etc.. You have zero credibility anymore...

Seanchai

Quote from: Spike;279850I do not find it surprising how this thread has evolved.  Sad, perhaps, but predictable.   I would have been shocked if Cavscout had flamed out, actually. Like I said, he seems more self aware, if no more useful.

And honestly? I feel a little sad for Jackalope. It might have been better for him to walk away before it came to this. I certainly did my part to encourage it. I also did my part to avoid, at the end, getting too roped into the round and round with him.  

Still, I feel vaguely like a guy who realized that some trains were about to collide and sat down to enjoy the inevitable collision. Now that it's occured I find myself wondering if I should have, I dunno, DONE something.  It wasn't half as entertaining as I thought.

Well, I still have hope that Jackalope will figure out that its really not so terrible if he can't post about politics here, and will decide to keep posting about everything else.

RPGPundit