Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery

[GeekyBugle]

oggsmash, you haven't answered my question about Brigadoon. Like Wakanda, it is a fictional community that is strongly isolationist. The question is, does their isolationism inherently mean that they should both be considered racial ethno-states?

  Korea has a looong history of racism regarding Japan as well, I understand being extra salty about the last 100 years considering the ass kicking the Japanese gave them though.  Saying Japan is neutral when it is very very hard to immigrate there and become a citizen is an out right lie.  If we use the metric of the USA regarding immigration Japan, Korea and China are all big time ethnostates.

I agree that Korea and Japan have lots of racism, but I disagree about how you come to that conclusion. It seems to me that you are coming from a position that:

1) Low immigration or desire for less immigration is proof of racism

and/or

2) Less racial diversity is proof of racism


To me, the proof of racial discrimination is in actual attitudes over race and how racial minorities are treated. I hear a lot about how ethnic Korean citizens of Japan (Zainichi Koreans) suffer racial discrimination in the present. In South Korea, I hear about how black kids face discrimination growing up - highlighted by Korean-American football star Hines Ward - as well as non-white foreign workers. I would want both countries to do more to fight racism both legally and culturally.

That's the real problem, and it could be true regardless about how common the racial minority is or the level of immigration.

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This is relevant because within the U.S., I don't think those two assumptions apply either. The least diverse state in the U.S. is Maine at 94% white, but I don't think that means it is the most racist state. My sister lives in Maine, and from her experience, while racism is present, it isn't the worst.

Similarly, if someone advocates for less immigration, I don't consider that proof that they are racist. I'd have to actually talk to the person and see how they feel about other races. There are factors other than race that are relevant to immigration. For example, I'd note that Japan has 10 times the population density of the U.S., and South Korean has 15 times the population density. Both rely heavily on imported food for their overpopulation. That will factor into what level of immigration they want.

How many "refugees" has the Maine population accepted? NIMBY right?

[jhkim]

This is relevant because within the U.S., I don't think those two assumptions apply either. The least diverse state in the U.S. is Maine at 94% white, but I don't think that means it is the most racist state. My sister lives in Maine, and from her experience, while racism is present, it isn't the worst.

How many "refugees" has the Maine population accepted? NIMBY right?

From what I see, Maine accepted 3028 refugees in 2021. With Maine's population of 1.3 million, that's 2.2 refugees per thousand residents. For comparison, Texas had 2.0 refugees per thousand residents, and New York had 1.8 refugees per thousand residents. The state with the most per capita is Minnesota with 3.2 refugees per thousand residents. The state with the least was Wyoming, with 0.002 refugees per thousand residents.

Source: https://usafacts.org/articles/where-do-refugees-resettle-in-the-us/

So it seems to me that Maine is taking a roughly equal share of refugees.

[jhkim]

Japanese think that the Koreans should be living in Korea. Would it be wrong for Koreans to think that Japanese should live in Japan and not Korea?

"Don't you dare get comfortable here, this is our home!"

Dispotatic254 - Are you aware of the history there?

Most of the nearly 1 million Koreans living in Japan have been there for generations. During the occupation from 1910 to 1944, Japan brought close to 2 million Korean people into Japan -- often by force -- as workers or other jobs. My grandfather went to Japan to learn dairy farming at an agricultural school during the early occupation. He left as did most others, but some stayed because their livelihoods, children, and other ties were now in Japan.

During that time, Koreans were told that Japan and Korea were one country, and Koreans should work to help their country. So there are multiple generations of people who are ethnically Korean who have grown up in Japan as their only home, and are sometimes intermarried. They are the complete opposite of invaders, and it is rank hypocrisy for racist Japanese to resent their presence there.

[Brad]

I like how we went from "Japan isn't an ethnostate" and "Japanese aren't racist" to basically admitting Japan is an ethnostate and Japanese are racist, by the same guy, within one page.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Why is this such a revelation? Why do so many Libtards push the idea that only WHITE PEOPLE are racist? Every group of people are racist. Especially Asians. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, they lead the pack. They are often viciously racist against other Asians. I've heard them called "Jungle Asians". You know, the Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Burmese. I'm sure there are others. Ultimately though, who cares? It is human nature. It is what it is! *Laughing*

If it bothers you, then simply avoid racist people, and embrace people into your life that are not racist. DONE.

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

The Woke fucking Libtards are the true racists, here in America. They are terrible, and full of hate. They arrogantly seek to divide everyone and make everyone hate each other--meanwhile, while they build this Marxist utopian shithole, they deep down view themselves as being the super-special anointed elite that gets to rule over everyone else. Fuck them all! These scum need the napalm, baby. Comics, movies, and more, have all been corrupted by the Libtards. Let them all burn the fuck down.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[rytrasmi]

Greetings!

Why is this such a revelation? Why do so many Libtards push the idea that only WHITE PEOPLE are racist? Every group of people are racist. Especially Asians. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, they lead the pack. They are often viciously racist against other Asians. I've heard them called "Jungle Asians". You know, the Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Burmese. I'm sure there are others. Ultimately though, who cares? It is human nature. It is what it is! *Laughing*

If it bothers you, then simply avoid racist people, and embrace people into your life that are not racist. DONE.

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

The Woke fucking Libtards are the true racists, here in America. They are terrible, and full of hate. They arrogantly seek to divide everyone and make everyone hate each other--meanwhile, while they build this Marxist utopian shithole, they deep down view themselves as being the super-special anointed elite that gets to rule over everyone else. Fuck them all! These scum need the napalm, baby. Comics, movies, and more, have all been corrupted by the Libtards. Let them all burn the fuck down.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Well said Shark and I 100% agree! It's easy for the racism topic to get blown out of proportion and co-opted by malicious parties to indoctrinate people. We would do well to remember the Golden Rule and trust our own experiences.

[~~]

Japanese think that the Koreans should be living in Korea. Would it be wrong for Koreans to think that Japanese should live in Japan and not Korea?

"Don't you dare get comfortable here, this is our home!"

Dispotatic254 - Are you aware of the history there?

With historians like you, who needs awareness?

[~~]

Greetings!

Why is this such a revelation? Why do so many Libtards push the idea that only WHITE PEOPLE are racist? Every group of people are racist. Especially Asians. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, they lead the pack. They are often viciously racist against other Asians. I've heard them called "Jungle Asians". You know, the Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Burmese. I'm sure there are others. Ultimately though, who cares? It is human nature. It is what it is! *Laughing*

If it bothers you, then simply avoid racist people, and embrace people into your life that are not racist. DONE.

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

The Woke fucking Libtards are the true racists, here in America. They are terrible, and full of hate. They arrogantly seek to divide everyone and make everyone hate each other--meanwhile, while they build this Marxist utopian shithole, they deep down view themselves as being the super-special anointed elite that gets to rule over everyone else. Fuck them all! These scum need the napalm, baby. Comics, movies, and more, have all been corrupted by the Libtards. Let them all burn the fuck down.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

If I can visit a bar in Japan and call the guy next to me a rice-slant* after he calls me a gaijin, but we still toast the saki for mutually hating those Marxist-wannabe city-flaggots cosplaying as Iroquois warriors, then I'd rather be racist. Proggoid-shitlibs can cope and seethe that biological racialism or whatever doesn't work the way they/them/rêtàrd want it to, as a fake self-loathing gibs grift for token morons pretending that they akshuwalley wouldn't do a colonialism if given the chance.

Marxist wannabes because everyone from Stalin to Castro still had cold iron balls and liked them that way, credit where its due.



* Wouldn't say that to a Mongolian though, those burly bastards clearly don't fuck around.
Have you seen one of those desert mammoths? I mean fuuuuuck dude, let some burly Chav do it but not me sir.
Anyway it wouldn't work because Mongolians don't eat rice (see: desert) and calling them a horse-meat-slant is too badass to be insulting.
Like ooooo the Japanese hunt whales! Fall out off the ship though and try to eat the whale then, you're still stranded at sea as a floating shark snack.
A Mongolian falls off his lame horse in the desert? He eats the horse, he walks back to camp, he gets a new horse. Hunt, herd, haul, repeat.
Be smarter Japan: Think like Mongolia.

[GeekyBugle]

Greetings!

Why is this such a revelation? Why do so many Libtards push the idea that only WHITE PEOPLE are racist? Every group of people are racist. Especially Asians. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, they lead the pack. They are often viciously racist against other Asians. I've heard them called "Jungle Asians". You know, the Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Burmese. I'm sure there are others. Ultimately though, who cares? It is human nature. It is what it is! *Laughing*

If it bothers you, then simply avoid racist people, and embrace people into your life that are not racist. DONE.

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

The Woke fucking Libtards are the true racists, here in America. They are terrible, and full of hate. They arrogantly seek to divide everyone and make everyone hate each other--meanwhile, while they build this Marxist utopian shithole, they deep down view themselves as being the super-special anointed elite that gets to rule over everyone else. Fuck them all! These scum need the napalm, baby. Comics, movies, and more, have all been corrupted by the Libtards. Let them all burn the fuck down.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

True, not all Americans ARE Gringos, but all Gringos ARE Americans, except when it's an European we don't like, then we call them Gringos too because it offends them.

[blackstone]

Japanese think that the Koreans should be living in Korea. Would it be wrong for Koreans to think that Japanese should live in Japan and not Korea?

"Don't you dare get comfortable here, this is our home!"

Dispotatic254 - Are you aware of the history there?

Most of the nearly 1 million Koreans living in Japan have been there for generations. During the occupation from 1910 to 1944, Japan brought close to 2 million Korean people into Japan -- often by force -- as workers or other jobs. My grandfather went to Japan to learn dairy farming at an agricultural school during the early occupation. He left as did most others, but some stayed because their livelihoods, children, and other ties were now in Japan.

During that time, Koreans were told that Japan and Korea were one country, and Koreans should work to help their country. So there are multiple generations of people who are ethnically Korean who have grown up in Japan as their only home, and are sometimes intermarried. They are the complete opposite of invaders, and it is rank hypocrisy for racist Japanese to resent their presence there.

Also you should be aware while the Korea was occupied during that time by the Japanese, the Koreans were treated as second class citizens. They had to take up Japanese names and could not speak Japanese in public.

[oggsmash]

I like how we went from "Japan isn't an ethnostate" and "Japanese aren't racist" to basically admitting Japan is an ethnostate and Japanese are racist, by the same guy, within one page.

  No shit.  I am sure we can 100 percent rely on his reports from his sister as to how much racism is or is not in Maine as well.  The guy is living in his own world.

[jhkim]

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

Well said, SHARK. We might not agree on everything, but I fully agree with this.

I like how we went from "Japan isn't an ethnostate" and "Japanese aren't racist" to basically admitting Japan is an ethnostate and Japanese are racist, by the same guy, within one page.

  No shit.  I am sure we can 100 percent rely on his reports from his sister as to how much racism is or is not in Maine as well.  The guy is living in his own world.

Sorry if I communicated poorly. I think we crossed about the meaning of "ethnostate". I thought of that as meaning a country where someone's legal rights depend on what race they are -- like 1980s South Africa. I didn't mean to imply that Japan didn't have racism.

Despite complaining about racism in Japan, I do believe that there are many Japanese people opposed to racism. I just hope the sentiment grows. My father's religion growing up, Mugyohoe, is a Christian movement that originated in pre-war Japan -- and promoted peace as well as racial unity. My family had many Japanese friends who were in the movement. It has never been very popular, but they add to the ranks of those who want to promote racial harmony.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Why is this such a revelation? Why do so many Libtards push the idea that only WHITE PEOPLE are racist? Every group of people are racist. Especially Asians. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, they lead the pack. They are often viciously racist against other Asians. I've heard them called "Jungle Asians". You know, the Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Burmese. I'm sure there are others. Ultimately though, who cares? It is human nature. It is what it is! *Laughing*

If it bothers you, then simply avoid racist people, and embrace people into your life that are not racist. DONE.

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

The Woke fucking Libtards are the true racists, here in America. They are terrible, and full of hate. They arrogantly seek to divide everyone and make everyone hate each other--meanwhile, while they build this Marxist utopian shithole, they deep down view themselves as being the super-special anointed elite that gets to rule over everyone else. Fuck them all! These scum need the napalm, baby. Comics, movies, and more, have all been corrupted by the Libtards. Let them all burn the fuck down.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Well said Shark and I 100% agree! It's easy for the racism topic to get blown out of proportion and co-opted by malicious parties to indoctrinate people. We would do well to remember the Golden Rule and trust our own experiences.

Greetings!

Thank you, Rytrasmi! Excellent! Yeah, so much of people's discussions on "racism"--particularly on the interwebs and in the media--is absolutely poisonous, ignorant, and garbage. I'd also so say that most of what goes on in colleges is also lying, Marxist propaganda, and not based in historical reality or TRUTH in any way. It's disgusting. My blood pressure goes up when I hear these sanctimonious college professors bloviating nothing but racist propaganda to students, every day in classes. I saw it when I was in school--and it is even much worse NOW.

Everyone throughout history has been racist, towards somebody, or everybody. *Laughing* I don't dwell on that fact--I focus just like you said, on the Golden Rule and what I am experiencing in front of me.

Long ago, I had a *ahem*--Japanese girlfriend. Her mother took a dim view of me, and called me Gaijen. Yeah, my girlfriend translated for me, and told me without holding back precisely what *Gaijen* meant. So, I've been discriminated against, and "victimized" by racist people. It was terrible, and horrifying, and heartbreaking! (It sucked, but come on. *Laughing*)

My Japanese girlfriend was very eager to make it up to me for being so unfairly offended by her disapproving and racist mother.

I think people need to get away from the hateful, Marxist propaganda, and simply focus on real people, and real relationships. People in your neighborhood, at church, at work, wherever. Say hi. Be kind, generous, and willing to become friends.

It always makes me laugh as well, at how so many of these "racist incidents" and "Hate crimes"--have actually been total, lying HOAXES, done by the Libtards themselves. Under investigation and feeling the fire from police detectives--so many of them have CONFESSED to it all being a lying HOAX. The graffiti, the swastikas, whatever. Actual Black men hired to beat up O'le Jussie Smollett by HIMSELF--but Jusse claimed it was racist WHITE men that had attacked him. Black women students falsely claiming racist gang-rape--and yet, most of it is all fucking lies. All because these Libtards themselves either hate themselves, or they otherwise hate white people, and so desperately WANT there to be angry, racist white people everywhere. It is sickening, and disgusting. We need to resist the lies and deceit everywhere, and fight for the TRUTH.

I apologize for going on a rant, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[SHARK]

Somehow though, literally MILLIONS of Black Africans, Brown Latinos, and Asians--all love each other, and white people, especially. Whatever they may think of a particular *group*--they eagerly make exceptions for individuals that they favour. And, well, while the men can, generally speaking be slower to accept others of different races, the women are certainly eager to welcome others with open arms. Once you have whatever woman embracing a foreign man, for example, the men within her circles typically get on board, too.

I have personally seen this in *FULL EFFECT* myself, whether it is with Asians, Latinos, or Black Africans. I've seen this reality amongst dozens of friends and associates, a well as myself, personally, for *DECADES*. My entire life. Don't worry about whoever being racist. Whaa, whaa, whaa. Just focus on YOU. Being the best person you can be. When interacting with others--foreigners, someone of a different race, don't be a smug, arrogant jackass. Be cool. Be respectful, and enthusiastic about their language, culture, food, and customs. Be forgiving of their flaws and shortcomings. YOU have flaws and shortcomings, too. Somewhere along the way, goddamn, you find that you have the opportunity to embrace and enjoy genuinely wonderful an awesome relationships.

Well said, SHARK. We might not agree on everything, but I fully agree with this.

I like how we went from "Japan isn't an ethnostate" and "Japanese aren't racist" to basically admitting Japan is an ethnostate and Japanese are racist, by the same guy, within one page.

  No shit.  I am sure we can 100 percent rely on his reports from his sister as to how much racism is or is not in Maine as well.  The guy is living in his own world.

Sorry if I communicated poorly. I think we crossed about the meaning of "ethnostate". I thought of that as meaning a country where someone's legal rights depend on what race they are -- like 1980s South Africa. I didn't mean to imply that Japan didn't have racism.

Despite complaining about racism in Japan, I do believe that there are many Japanese people opposed to racism. I just hope the sentiment grows. My father's religion growing up, Mugyohoe, is a Christian movement that originated in pre-war Japan -- and promoted peace as well as racial unity. My family had many Japanese friends who were in the movement. It has never been very popular, but they add to the ranks of those who want to promote racial harmony.

Greetings!

Thank you, Jhkim.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[~~]

Japanese think that the Koreans should be living in Korea. Would it be wrong for Koreans to think that Japanese should live in Japan and not Korea?

"Don't you dare get comfortable here, this is our home!"

Dispotatic254 - Are you aware of the history there?

Most of the nearly 1 million Koreans living in Japan have been there for generations. During the occupation from 1910 to 1944, Japan brought close to 2 million Korean people into Japan -- often by force -- as workers or other jobs. My grandfather went to Japan to learn dairy farming at an agricultural school during the early occupation. He left as did most others, but some stayed because their livelihoods, children, and other ties were now in Japan.

During that time, Koreans were told that Japan and Korea were one country, and Koreans should work to help their country. So there are multiple generations of people who are ethnically Korean who have grown up in Japan as their only home, and are sometimes intermarried. They are the complete opposite of invaders, and it is rank hypocrisy for racist Japanese to resent their presence there.

Also you should be aware while the Korea was occupied during that time by the Japanese, the Koreans were treated as second class citizens. They had to take up Japanese names and could not speak Japanese in public.

Already knew that.