Quote from: jhkim on May 22, 2024, 09:32:03 PMThanks, KindaMeh. I appreciate the sentiment here

What part of 'take that shit somewhere else' did you not grasp? Some of us would like to discuss Greyhawk without you fucking the convo up for the rest of us.

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 09:08:36 PMYeah, Omega. My hopes are not high for Greyhawk concerning WOTC. WOTC will corrupt it entirely if they put any real effort into including the setting.

They already started fucking it up in 3E. What's sort of ironic is they didn't EXACTLY do that when they started with the last 2E Greyhawk products back in the late 90s (The Adventure Begins, Return of the 8, Slavers, etc). The setting was always supposed to be post-apocalyptic, where humanity in the Flanaess is holding on by its fingertips, to just another garbage High Fantasy setting that morons think is indistinguishable from Faerun.

Greetings!

Well, recently, a group of Adventurers became involved in a scenario where the party was engaged by three scheming and seductive Witches. The Witches appeared Human, though were far more than Human. The Witches were gathered into a lair which featured a forested hilltop, mounted by a large manor-house that overlooked the forest and lake far below. Beneath the hilltop manor-house, is a series of subterranean tunnels and lairs filled with monsters. The subterranean tunnels and caverns eventually led further downwards, opening into a mysterious subterranean grotto. The grotto features several streams flowing throughout, a cavern system of pools, and a shrine area centered around an enchanted pool, that is always shrouded in a shifting haze of mist.

Meanwhile, the great house at the top of the hill is very large and spacious, and surrounded by a strange fence made of gigantic chicken feet. The chicken legs themselves are posted into the earth itself, with large chicken feet splayed out, reaching skywards with seemingly grasping talons, occasionally twitching and moving about.

(1) Rescued Marglev, a Young Gingerbread Dragon that had been imprisoned by the Witches.

(2) The Witches were defended by groups of mutated Hunchbacked half-trolls.

(3) Evil, Gummybear Barbarians

(4) A Giant Maple Syrup Gelatinous Cube

(5) A Large, Chocolate Mousse Wolf

(6) A Cheesecake Golem

Overhead, hanging, flexible tubes of whipping Cream.

A bubbling vat filled with blackberry compote sauce.

Several enormous ovens.

Large mobile racks of pre-made frosted pie crusts, as well as numerous mobile racks of neatly stacked and ordered loaves of freshly-baked bread.

The party had discovered the disturbing set of large blackberry pies, which were also filled with children from the nearby town of Chalyagev. Two of the party's henchmen had also been thrown head-first into gigantic blackberry pies, filled with bubbling blackberry filling, and blasted with whipped cream. One of the party members, a Wizard, was nearly killed by being engulfed within a floating globe of Vanilla Frosting.

The group managed to rescue and befriend a Peppermint Patty War Hound, as well as uncovering a crystal prison within the subterranean grotto, where they rescued Lyuba, "The White Maiden" and Princess of Zharneva.

Within the subterranean levels, the party discovered several groups of young children, being kept in Human herds for safekeeping. The children were used mostly as food, being eaten ass pie filling, or roasted in the ovens, covered in gravy and diced vegetables. Some of the children were taken out of the Human herds, and trained into the Witch's religion serving the Dark Gods. Four of these children have thus become mutated, and corrupted into terrible, evil monsters, devoted to evil and wickedness. One of the evil mutant children was killed in the fighting, though the other three managed to escape.

One of the evil Witches, Galina, was killed in combat. One of the Witches, Sarvenya, was defeated, and captured by the group. A third Witch, Yessenya, also managed to escape. The group has now sought to recover, and escort the Witch Sarvenya back to the town of Chalyagev.

The adventure included some insane environmental factors, and some hilarious fight scenes! The group definitely enjoyed the entire adventure, and the different opponents, hazards, and locations.

Have you used some similar elements in adventures?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Brad on May 07, 2024, 05:42:47 PMI bought _Victorious_ a while back just to support TLG.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/169398/Victorious-the-Role-Playing-Game

I can't say it's that good of a game, honestly. Amazing Adventures does Victorian pulp better if you like the SIEGE engine, and if you don't then there are a lot of other games you're better off playing. Then again, I am not even a fan of steampunk stuff, so whatever.

I have Victorious, and have been able to run it and play it with my Discord group and it included Mr Stewart for some of the game.

I would say it is great for what it is made for, AFTER you master the art of creating your character. It is made to be a Victorian Steampunk SUPER HERO game, with the focus on super hero. It took me a while to make good characters and there is an art to that part of the game. You can make a character that is so super focused on one thing that they suck at EVERYTHING else, or you can make a character the is 'good' at a lot of things but not truly GOOD at anything.  There is a sweet spot, and you have to learn how to use the rules to get there.

Once you do, the game can be very versatile. We ran a btb Victorian era American based game, I ran a modern lower powered spy/hero (loosely based on the TV show Person of Interest), & a Poe level of horror, and someone else ran a high fantasy medieval game with it. All of them came out great AFTER everyone wrapped their minds around making a good useful character.

I also have and have played/ran Amazing Adventures. Again that is great for a class based Pulp adventure. With a little work it can be retrofitted back to Victorian from its focus of pulp time (pre-post WWII). It is a class based game so A LOT easier to make a character than Victorious but a lot less versatile.

I have the CoC Gaslight rules, and like the CoC rules. It should be easy enough to strip out the 'Lovecraft' horrors from the game to make it generic gaslight steam punk. Plus with some of the more recent Chaosium games/CoC supplements, you can add in some spells or other useful rules setting stuff (Rivers of London for magic Fey etc) However, the CoC characters can be very squishy compared to other games so you might have to use some pulp CoC etc to buff up the characters a bit.

I have and love the ole Masque of Red Death. I actually use it as the basis of the above mention Victorious Poe game.

I remember Space 1989 back in the day when I was in HS (way too many years ago) and enjoyed it back then. But, it was so long ago & I haven't played the newer versions of it so anything I say would be romantic rose colored glass memory not a realistic advice

Quote from: Reckall on May 07, 2024, 09:20:33 PMI heard that there is a lot of gaslight in WotC's current offerings.

Blink, blink, Haaaaaa !

Quote from: KindaMeh on May 22, 2024, 07:00:28 PMNot really sure how things in this thread came to an off-topic rejoicing in the alleged hellfire soon to be experienced by other congregations and Christian sects. What I will say about that from my own personal perspective, is that if one accepts Christ as their savior and sincerely tries to follow His way and example, minor doctrinal errors seem unlikely to be as important as what is sacrificed in an attempt to aid others and affirm fellowship and obeisance to the Trinity.

Thanks, KindaMeh. I appreciate the sentiment here, and agree. I hope there's at least some fellowship for Unitarians who don't believe in the Trinity, but still try to follow in Christ's way. I'd go so far as to feel fellowship with Jewish people, atheists, and others who still believe in good works and loving thy neighbor as thyself.

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Quote from: Jaeger on May 22, 2024, 04:19:00 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 21, 2024, 09:44:12 PMI consider myself a Christian, but I'll go on record that I had sex with my wife long before we were married. That is clearly described as sin, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

You show that you already get it.

Because as much as you may try to equivocate, you know the truth in your heart; and you are not presenting your past sins as a something that should be seen as a universal good and normalized.

Sorry if this wasn't clear. It's not that I consider my premarital sex to be a past sin that has been forgiven. It's that I don't regret it and would do it again. As a fifty-something divorcee, I felt no guilt whatsoever in having sex with my girlfriend, even before we were engaged.

I believe many of the specific statements in the Bible - including the New Testament - are for people in that society, not a universal commandment. In 1st Century, society was very different than today. There was no reliable contraception, marriages were arranged early in life, and childbearing was often lethal.

In terms of stance - I am not opposed to premarital sex, or women pastors, or IVF (among other issues). And yes, I'm also not opposed to homosexual behavior and have no problem with homosexual characters appearing in RPG modules. A gay friend of my wife's sang the processional at my wedding last month, and attended with his partner.

I'm fine to discuss religious reasons behind these individually, but obviously each of them could be a whole topic.

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Quote from: Dropbear on May 07, 2024, 09:43:20 AMI have always been partial to Etherscope.

What is Etherscope like? I have heard of it but never actually seen it.

There was an old thread on it here (from 2007):

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/any-love-for-etherscope/

In my head, I conflated this with the Necroscope RPG for the Masterbook system, based on the Brian Lumley books.

Greetings!

*Laughing*! Hah! 2007? Damn, that's a long time ago!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Omega on May 22, 2024, 03:13:03 PM

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:28:42 AMYes, I suspect that this is the approach that WOTC is likely to take.

5-10 years ago I'd think so. But wotc has become increasingly insane and if even a tenth of the things they have talked about for fake 5e see print. Greyhawk will be the absolute least of our worries.

Greetings!

Yeah, Omega. My hopes are not high for Greyhawk concerning WOTC. WOTC will corrupt it entirely if they put any real effort into including the setting. Furthermore, I don't like the whole Woke Seattle ideology in games, because they actually destroy the game environment. Every town, every city, becomes this terrible copy of modern, Woke Seattle. The NPC's all remind me of the zombie-like Pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. (With Donald Sutherland).

Plus, there are other, non-WOTC resources that present Greyhawk stuff that doesn't try to insult all the Greyhawk fans, and while periodically developing something new, seeks to always remain solidly faithful to the traditional Greyhawk world.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I really should have noticed and asked this before, but is it that you get one warning wherein you are thread banned, and then if you are thread banned elsewhere you're permabanned?


Also, to get back to the topic at hand, how much Greyhawk-specific setting content do we think will actually make it into the DMG and its rules specifically? I'm betting little, and that most of it will be performative or revisions. Partly because I had heard the new version was scrapping alignment among other things.

Guys, if you keep discussing your religion without anything about RPGs, you risk Pundit banning your ass. What part of this warning was unclear?

Not really sure how things in this thread came to an off-topic rejoicing in the alleged hellfire soon to be experienced by other congregations and Christian sects. What I will say about that from my own personal perspective, is that if one accepts Christ as their savior and sincerely tries to follow His way and example, minor doctrinal errors seem unlikely to be as important as what is sacrificed in an attempt to aid others and affirm fellowship and obeisance to the Trinity. The Pharisees and similar teachers of the law may have understood and followed the law God had indeed to some solid extent given them. But ultimately it was shown that they as humans could not be truly righteous themselves, nor save themselves fully from sin through action under said law. Our devotion and commitment to the living God is what ultimately matters most. I'm not the best theologian out there, but that's my two cents on that.

So even though I'm more conservative than many within the Methodist church I  am part of in my understanding of God's law, I would argue that what will actually determine where they and I wind up respectively... is far more likely our devotion to Christ, personal faith in and connection to God, and willingness to do His will, especially when called to it. I do believe in God's justice just as much as His love, but I also don't think that as followers of Christ we should ever gloat when we think others within the flock have stumbled. Nor that we should assume our understanding of the law, even as presented by our understanding of the Bible, is more important than trying to follow Christ and give obeisance to the divine. Salvation comes by Grace and by openness to doing God's will even at personal cost, not by our own personal knowledge and goodness.

I think therefore that everyone here who believes in Christ and sincerely acts within their daily lives in the matter they feel honors him and his principles will go to heaven. Even if we may disagree at times as to some of the particulars.

Simple.  Just post one or two RPG's you like that you're sure most people don't know about. 

1.  Kogarashi.   This won a post I made about RPGs set in Japan.  It's a small game that uses 1D6, roll equal or under your stats (1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4 assigned by the player), spells are skill checks, and armor is a saving throw.  It's great.

2.  Pocket Fantasy.  It's super rules light, but with the optional characters you have 14 classes to chose from.  It's also free on DT-RPG.

I'll post some more later.