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Quote from: Motorskills;1079524>Shared interest in the hobby, supporting the industry directly or indirectly. <

That work?

"Community" = "People who buy stuff"?

Quote from: Motorskills;1079496D&D also had a huge community outside the tabletop, remember all those Dragonlance novels?

I loved reading the Dragonlance novels back in the day.  Do I have to do anything to stay in the Community?  Any news letters or meetings that I should be aware of?

Quote from: Haffrung;1079529while people who actively game are accustomed to doing a lot of work to turn D&D reading material into a game aid, so they don't raise much of a fuss.

*sigh* Yeah.

Quote from: Stegosaurus;1079544It's not just going to be the SJW crowd though. It's going to be their children

What's the SJW Total Fertility Rate? Around 0.1?

Quote from: S'mon;1079512"People who read Dragonlance novels" were part of the community? What community?

I think community is a stupid word to start with - there may be an RPGSite Community, even an RPG Message Board community, but there is no community of tabletop RPGers per se.

That and "Lifestyle" as Pundit tends to misapply it here.
Probably more apt to term it "Players & Participants" Participants arent interested in the game, yet, and instead like the entertainment peripherals like Books, Comics, PC games, and Movies. And may or may not like accessories that can be gaming related or may just be accessories.

Players may like all these peripherals and accessories too. But the participant is not a player. Least not yet. They might be eventually though. So it is never good to try and drive them off or demean them unless they start getting nasty.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1079528Absolutely. Unfortunately, TV-movies-videogames have been dominated by Marvel and DC which gives people the impression those two are the only game in town. In the Hellboy YT trailer, I've even seen comments by people asking if Hellboy is in the DCU or MCU.

Bemusingly quite a few of the indie and 2md tier comics have gotten cartoons and even movies. For a while they were more present than Marvel or DC.

Corto Maltise has had at least one animated movie(Though sadly obscure in the US). Lucky Luke has had cartoons, TV shows and a movie(also sadly obscure in the US). The Mask, Mystery Men, Bucky Ohare, TMNT, Caddilacs & Dinosaurs(Xenozoic Tales), Tales from the Crypt, Den(Warren and Heavy Metal) Asterix has had cartoons and a live movie, Prince Valiant has had a movie and a cartoon, Ultra Force from Valiant got a short lived show. Image had a few as well before they effectively folded. The Maxx, Wild Cats, Spawn, and others out there. Quite a list.

And of course The Rocketeer.

Quote from: Shasarak;1079550I loved reading the Dragonlance novels back in the day.  Do I have to do anything to stay in the Community?  Any news letters or meetings that I should be aware of?

Yes! I think the meeting places are called Libraries or somesuch. You will be issued a card. :cool:

Quote from: Shasarak;1079550I loved reading the Dragonlance novels back in the day.  Do I have to do anything to stay in the Community?  Any news letters or meetings that I should be aware of?

Pundit is jumping up and down that someone that buys a game book just to read it is somehow undermining the hobby.

It's idiotic, because the history is right there for all to see. Obviously TSR (repeatedly!) made some insanely bad business decisions over the decades, but producing non-game literature wasn't one of them.

Look, Spinach doesn't like the word "community", fine, I get the objection to the word. But it's a question of terminology, not of effect.

You bought the books, you chatted with others about them, you lent them out, all that jazz. Whatever's Spinach wants to call that, that's what happened. And has always happened, and continues to happen.

(Maybe you even purchased some DL gamebooks  - most folks didn't!. And of the ones that did, a decent proportion probably bought them to read them, not to actually play them).

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1079450The comic book industry isn't dead. It will survive quite well without Marvel and DC. Should they go under.

Of the top 100 best selling comics in January, only 6 were not from Marvel and DC. the bestselling non-Marvel/DC comic was The Walking Dead which was #30. I don't see how a market can survive when 94% of the best selling products go away.

Of course, I don't see Marvel going away, just getting absorbed by Disney's regular publishing house. Just like how WotC should be shut down and absorbed by Hasbro.

Quote from: Motorskills;1079496The rest of his whining is how this community of non-gamers will undermine the hobby, when it is clear that the hobby is more vibrant and innovative than ever before, including tabletop gaming. Oh and here's seven million more reasons why he is full of shit.

The only industry that this $7 million Critical Role Kickstarter helps in the animation industry.

Also, I wouldn't include RPGs into the more general "tabletop gaming" discussion as board gaming is healthy and growing. It's also not completely infested with SJWs (primarily due to Tom Vassel)

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1079577Also, I wouldn't include RPGs into the more general "tabletop gaming" discussion as board gaming is healthy and growing. It's also not completely infested with SJWs (primarily due to Tom Vassel)

Sadly, the same loons who took over RPGnet are brigading Boardgamegeek. It's harder for them to take the place over completely, because the boardgaming hobby and BGG are so much bigger than the RPG scene. But in any thread that touches on socially controversial issues, the mods on BGG are no different from the mods on RPGnet. They've drank the kool-aid. You will be sanctioned for questioning radical identarian dogma.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1079577The only industry that this $7 million Critical Role Kickstarter helps in the animation industry.

Something that has raised 7 million dollars is going to raise eyebrows outside the hobby, and will (eventually) have a direct impact on the hobby itself.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1079576Of the top 100 best selling comics in January, only 6 were not from Marvel and DC. the bestselling non-Marvel/DC comic was The Walking Dead which was #30. I don't see how a market can survive when 94% of the best selling products go away.

Of course, I don't see Marvel going away, just getting absorbed by Disney's regular publishing house. Just like how WotC should be shut down and absorbed by Hasbro.

Having the big two out of the way would create more opportunity for smaller publishers. The industry would be a very different place without Marvel and DC's anti-competative tactics getting in the way of the success of smaller publishers.

Marvel specifically has been flooding the store shelves for decades to deliberately leave no space for smaller publishers to occupy. They have been over-publishing to the point that comic book stores are going out of business if they try keep all Marvel titles on their shelves. Because you know what? Those books Marvel is flooding stores with aren't selling!

And yes. Those anti-competative tactics are illegal. But Marvel and DC grease enough palms in Washington DC to keep the government's gaze away.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1079576Of course, I don't see Marvel going away, just getting absorbed by Disney's regular publishing house. Just like how WotC should be shut down and absorbed by Hasbro.

Easy. Power vacuum.

This is in part why indie comics got a foothold way back. They were picking up the pieces the big publishers were losing.

Also keep in mind that best seller does not mean much anymore. Marvel in particular has been doing so badly that they have been flat out forcing stores to take product and ripping them off. DC may follow. Abd as they decline the small publishers will again pick up the pieces. This also happens as for example trends turn in directions fans dont like and they look elsewhere. Such as the whole Dark age of comics in the 90s. That allowed other publishers to attract fans of less grim and pointless fare.

And so it goes.

And lastly there are alot of indie publishers and second tier ones. A few of which who have been around quite a while.