Quote from: daniel_ream;552075The only thing that works for people caught in this kind of foolishness is aggressive defense: do not back down, acknowledge the truths, and expose the lies being told about them.  Publicize the witch-hunter's slanderous statements and attempts to extort.  Stand up for their right to do business how and with whom they choose, and on what terms.

Indeed, a solid round of litigaton would be just the thing to cause a mass pulling in of horns. Assuming Mongoose is willing and able to deal with the PR.

I feel kinda an idiot saying this in this thread, but welcome Sinister Brain!

Quote from: One Horse Town;552082I feel kinda an idiot saying this in this thread, but welcome Sinister Brain!

Thank you kindly OHT.  
Good thread for a first time post eh?

none of the books that are mentioned have been for sale on mongooses sight for quite some time.

Yes, welcome.

I see no further point for my participation in this thread, now that liberal arts students and trolls have been identified as the true problems, I can rest easy, secure in the knowledge that the world is now a safe place.  

to sum up:
I support everyone's right to free speech.
I support everyone's right to not buy a product if they find it offensive and to organize with others who feel the same way. This is also a form a freedom of expression.
I don't care what the context is, rape threats are wrong. A failure to identify them as such and attempting to blow them off as mere trolling or nonexistent is, imo, a severe moral lapse.
and

Spoiler

3e is not D&D.

Quote from: Aos;552087and to organize with others who feel the same way. This is also a form a freedom of expression.

So were the Nuremberg rallies. Godwinned, and done.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552083Thank you kindly OHT.  
Good thread for a first time post eh?

Timing is everything.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552083Thank you kindly OHT.  
Good thread for a first time post eh?

Welcome dude.

Quote from: Benoist;551918The SA goons started the clusterfuck by commenting on Desborough's blog, mind you. RPGnet being what it is, with its rules and moderation style, it became the stage for the trap/showdown.

Being the RobMuadib in question, and being party to it's antecedents and as part of an ongoing shitstorm re: 'Rape culture' and games, specifically the Lara Croft thing, with several Video game blogs, then new Hitman Trailer with the killer nuns. This went on in the G+/Blogosphere,includining a lot of bitching and hating on Google plus, and various blogs. Drew in Skarka/Tracey Hurley, and Desborough stirred some shit as well, commenting on the tentacle bento thing (Which was before Lara Croft/Hitman).

So we had this big swell of Gamers are Rape Culture cretins (Some of which is valid and reasonable), then Maladicta saw easy pickings in Desborough, then started up the whole petition, culminating with the trap mega-thread on Tangency.net and mass bannings and smug zomg these people are creepy rapist raper aplogia. (As I said, the message is valid, but the people instigating this were more interested in scoring points for their side and basking in self-satisfaction, than effecting meaningful change.) And the picking out Mongoose hoping they would cave/look bad. blah blah blah.

I am sure Maladicta did get rape threats and hate mail BS. I am also sure she both expected and counted on it. That she wouldn't feel validated if she didn't.

I hate it when assholes champion important issues, cause it makes me want to kill the messenger, even if the message is right.

Quote from: B.T.;552068A true troll has no remorse.

Who cares?  The worst that will come of it is her feeling validated in her perpetual victimization.

Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick. Do you ever even LOOK at what you're typing?

Misogynistic ass.

Quote from: nightwind1;552096Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick. Do you ever even LOOK at what you're typing?

Misogynistic ass.

You slander me.  

I'm a sexist ass, not a misogynistic ass.

Quote from: RobMuadib;552094So we had this big swell of Gamers are Rape Culture cretins (Some of which is valid and reasonable), then Maladicta saw easy pickings in Desborough, then started up the whole petition, culminating with the trap mega-thread on Tangency.net and mass bannings and smug zomg these people are creepy rapist raper aplogia. (As I said, the message is valid, but the people instigating this were more interested in scoring points for their side and basking in self-satisfaction, than effecting meaningful change.) And the picking out Mongoose hoping they would cave/look bad. blah blah blah.

I am sure Maladicta did get rape threats and hate mail BS. I am also sure she both expected and counted on it. That she wouldn't feel validated if she didn't.

Pretty much my sentiments after watching all this unfold.
When I saw the retread thread started in TRO on TBP I knew it would be crossing the streams bad.  Doesn't take a genius to see that a thread like that's going to turn to shit at lightspeed.  I'll spare my comments on TBP's moderating though.
The petition, the righteous attitudes made me think shenanigans were happening but it wasn't until i read the "transcript" of maladicta's conversation with Matt that I realized what was happening...

Quote from: Aos;552087Yes, welcome.

I see no further point for my participation in this thread, now that liberal arts students and trolls have been identified as the true problems, I can rest easy, secure in the knowledge that the world is now a safe place.  

to sum up:
I support everyone's right to free speech.
I support everyone's right to not buy a product if they find it offensive and to organize with others who feel the same way. This is also a form a freedom of expression.
I don't care what the context is, rape threats are wrong. A failure to identify them as such and attempting to blow them off as mere trolling or nonexistent is, imo, a severe moral lapse.
and

Spoiler

3e is not D&D.

AOS, I agree with everything you stated. However, the back patting and rush of self-congratulation shown by the instigators also shows they were counting on it. I don't believe Maladicta is at all stupid in this. I'm sure she both expected and counted on this fact. It is wrong, which gives her instant credibility to advance her other aims.

The blogo-gaming-sphere has been chock full of this stuff, back to Jade Ramond on Assassin's creed, anti-booth babe sentiment, the new tomb raider shiz, the hitman trailer. So why do I object to her meaningful and correct message. Same reason I object to the culture of Tangency.net. They use it as their team to root for to validate and feel good about themselves. She saw Desborough as an easy target, and bet on Mongoose/SJG/WOTC being a fool target.

So, in this case, I hate the messaenger, but agree with the overall message. But I also see it as a ploy for her to validate herself and her clique and gain rep and the adulation of her team. I followed Ettin (He is the one that started the thread on RPG.net, while crossposting the highlights to grognard.txt) exulting in their 'trolling for good'. The mod's at RPG.net make it the perfect, least neutral ground, possible for them to run their circus, and it would have the most people cheering for them. (especially since they largely banned every dissenting opinion s the thread went on.)

So in summary, I reject the messenger.

Quote from: nightwind1;552096Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick.

He has a pogostick?  That's... kind of awesome.

Quote from: RobMuadib;552104AOS, I agree with everything you stated. However, the back patting and rush of self-congratulation shown by the instigators also shows they were counting on it. I don't believe Maladicta is at all stupid in this. I'm sure she both expected and counted on this fact. It is wrong, which gives her instant credibility to advance her other aims.

The blogo-gaming-sphere has been chock full of this stuff, back to Jade Ramond on Assassin's creed, anti-booth babe sentiment, the new tomb raider shiz, the hitman trailer. So why do I object to her meaningful and correct message. Same reason I object to the culture of Tangency.net. They use it as their team to root for to validate and feel good about themselves. She saw Desborough as an easy target, and bet on Mongoose/SJG/WOTC being a fool target.

So, in this case, I hate the messaenger, but agree with the overall message. But I also see it as a ploy for her to validate herself and her clique and gain rep and the adulation of her team. I followed Ettin (He is the one that started the thread on RPG.net, while crossposting the highlights to grognard.txt) exulting in their 'trolling for good'. The mod's at RPG.net make it the perfect, least neutral ground, possible for them to run their circus, and it would have the most people cheering for them. (especially since they largely banned every dissenting opinion s the thread went on.)

So in summary, I reject the messenger.

I'd comment but I'm a Nazi now, apparently.