I might have gone the other way. Let them have warrior magical items and be a wizard.

Sure they don't start the fight, or rely on it, but things go bad and their spells are gone? Whoosh magical flaming sword.

Quote from: Silverlion;558655I might have gone the other way. Let them have warrior magical items and be a wizard.

Sure they don't start the fight, or rely on it, but things go bad and their spells are gone? Whoosh magical flaming sword.

See I was thinking they were MERP style Noldor. The whole vibe was kickass bard to me. Your thought is very similar to mine.

I like that enough that next time I run OD&D (which will be a while I admit, due to the Great Pendragon Campaign being on at the moment) I'll probably use it. Nice work.

Quote from: D-503;558760I like that enough that next time I run OD&D (which will be a while I admit, due to the Great Pendragon Campaign being on at the moment) I'll probably use it. Nice work.

Thanks very much!

Quote from: Marleycat;558630That directed to me? If so, you misunderstood my question was did you have seperate craftsmen without requiring wozards is all. Seems sensible to have them in a society that uses any item. Put a whole other dimension into the game.

Just the thread in general. It seemed to be veering towards elves aren't magical if they aren't spellcasters as PC's.

Quote from: danbuter;559032Just the thread in general. It seemed to be veering towards elves aren't magical if they aren't spellcasters as PC's.

Don't get me wrong the take intrigues me but not sure I'd use it myself for two reasons.

1. I heavily prefer ethereal  magical elves ala Sword, Memory, and Sorrow.
2. Dark Sun elves. I see a big impetus to become nothing but nomadic tribal thieves par excellence.  Which is cool but not what I want my elves to be.

I think that magic nature needs to be more than using magic items. They don't need to be spellcasters but I'd like to see some options beyond that.

Perhaps making it clear that they are uncanny--they've got night vision, they're immune to spells of certain types, play those things up. Perhaps letting them detect magic as a sense, and being able to charge their mortal weapons with magical energy (for a minor bonus.) Or something that shows they can feel the flow magic as is their nature.

Quote from: Silverlion;559073I think that magic nature needs to be more than using magic items. They don't need to be spellcasters but I'd like to see some options beyond that.

Perhaps making it clear that they are uncanny--they've got night vision, they're immune to spells of certain types, play those things up. Perhaps letting them detect magic as a sense, and being able to charge their mortal weapons with magical energy (for a minor bonus.) Or something that shows they can feel the flow magic as is their nature.

That is a SMS elf. They are the Nordic version with the Celtic mixed in as dashes. They aren't default magic users but their magic users are defacto minor gods and up. When they use magic it's damn serious and humans can only drool in envy, if they even understand what level the game is being played at. My version of elves are either avatars or forces of magic and nature in perfect fusion.

See I would consider using this build of Elf for changelings or half-elves myself.  But then again I prefer my games to be entirely, or almost so, human.  So actual elves, etc would be cast more in the Fea mold - alien, almost never seen, and very dangerous to interact with.


-TGA

Quote from: Marleycat;559075That is a SMS elf. They are the Nordic version with the Celtic mixed in as dashes. They aren't default magic users but their magic users are defacto minor gods and up. When they use magic it's damn serious and humans can only drool in envy, if they even understand what level the game is being played at. My version of elves are either avatars or forces of magic and nature in perfect fusion.

Its very similar to the Sidda in High Valor too. As they age and they do age, they become less "humans with funny ears" and more and more something "else" for example: The Lion of the North in High Valor is an ancient Elf who has become a massive white lion, magical and strange devouring monsters in the bitter chill cold of the northern parts of Albae. While a less serious elf, might diminish become a playful winged sprite, and a terrible and dark spirited elf might become a monster which feeds on men in lonely places. (Of course elves without souls are something else, Shriven.)

Aging for them though is, interesting, since despite being virtually immortal, they age, but usually through sorrow, tragedy, terror, great acts of heroism, magic or faith.

Of course that eventually leads us to discussing dragons, and how they age similarly (but slightly different, Dragons are still dragons even if one has become a manifestation of poison, or disease.) Elves are "other." Still.

Although in your usual game the aging thing may only come up once or twice and only mildly, its goes to help show that they really aren't men-like.

Of course Dwarves turn to stone when they die instead of corrupting (not instantly, rock does little "instantly.)



For these elves:

Maybe great magical items hold elvish souls, and it takes an elf to get the most out of them, in this version? Perhaps when they die they may flow into something making it  magical, or burst in a flash of magical energy changing the rules of magic for an area temporarily until after a few hundred years it changes?