Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
Helveczia (probably hybridized with Lamentations of the Flame Princess)

Not gonna lie, that sounds awesome!

I own and take inspiration from the books for 5E, without running D&D by the 5E rules; so, I am highly insulated from any direction WOTC chooses.  The same goes with Pathfinder 1E, and Paizo.  I reference their books, but I don't play by their rules.  I have embraced the many different ways of using the mighty D6, to get there.  Those rulebooks are a reference for me, just as a list of healing herbs in Lion & Dragon might be.

QuoteSo if you don't want to use WotC 5E, what do you play?

AD&D 1E
RoleMaster
Savage Worlds

The same I've been playing for years?

The last two years AD&D2e

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 24, 2023, 11:38:15 AM

Quote from: Batjon on January 24, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
My answers for me personally:

Barbarians of Lemuria Mythic Edition

I love Barbarians and I have this editon.  I havent played it or run it in awhile but I would love to do so.  Something to consider.

I'm setting up an online to do some campaigns and also some of the games based off BoL, such as Honor + Intrigue, and Dicey Tales.  If interested, PM me.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on January 23, 2023, 10:51:05 PM
Just get Worlds without Number. Its OSR with effort, with some of the best ideas from all the editions of D&D. Its highly customizable.
It also doesn't fall under OGL, but is compatible with it.

Harsh, but true.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
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If the question is where are the people who quit 5e over this going to go? Pathfinder first, probably. That seems to be where all the big YouTubers/"influencers" are leaning, and they'll take their audiences with them. Behind that, probably Savage Worlds.

PF2's audience is limited for table top play due to it's complexity. It'll probably get more traction with the VTT crowd due to the machine being able to do the systems heavy lifting.

But right now, they are the only alternate game in town with real public visibility, so Baizuo will benefit in the short term.

Kobold press's 5e game might be the one to get real traction.

CR are in a contractual relationship with the Wotiz's. Mercer must be furious getting caught sideways by Wotzi's actions with the OGL. As CR is otherwise perfectly placed to introduce an alternate 5e system.

Interesting times ahead...

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
My bigger concern with the OGL debacle right now is how it's going to affect VTTs. If Roll20 and/or Foundry go down, that is going to seriously affect my games. I run my game on Roll20 which seems to be likely to survive, since most people think they have a backdoor deal with WOTC, but I'm looking into contingency plans anyway. If Foundry goes down, I would expect that to be the end of my Hyperborea campaign. The DM on that one has put an insane amount of work into the VTT side of it, and I could see him deciding it just isn't worth re-doing it somewhere else.

Ironically, Wotzi did not have to be near so heavy handed to kill most competing VTT's.

Come 2024, no more deals for competing VTT's. All official D&D content is exclusively available on the OneVTT.

With C&D letters to stop places like Foundry from scraping 5.5e content from D&D Beyond to run on their platform.

All Wotzi had to do was turn off the tap, and eventually the majority of D&D players would gravitate to the OneVTT.

But Noooooooooooo...

Kinda hilarious how WotC rhymes with Nazi.  How ironic.

Castles & Crusades
AD&D 1E

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Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
Helveczia (probably hybridized with Lamentations of the Flame Princess)

Not gonna lie, that sounds awesome!

Let's hope. My initial thought was to just run straight Helveczia and convert some Lamentations modules, since many of them are for the same time period and region. I figure that's a good match-up as well, since Lamentations adventures lean a bit too much towards being meat-grinders for my taste, but Helveczia PCs seem slightly more powerful than LOTFP ones, so it probably evens out. But I run my games on Roll20, and unfortunately there's no Helveczia character sheet for it (and I don't know dick about coding), so I'll probably have to use the Lamentations character sheet, and mix the two systems up. The only real downside is I'll probably have to use the LOTFP save system, which is fine on it's own, but the Helveczia save system is one of its more unique features.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 24, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
The same I've been playing for years?

The last two years AD&D2e

Rock on. That's the edition I'd pick, given a choice.

If I want to play D&D I run AD&D 1e (and tell players to download the OSRIC pdf if they want a rulebook to look through, although players don't really need to know the rules), or I run original D&D with my own house rules that have accumulated over the years.

If I'm running a fantasy game that isn't D&D it's probably some form of BRP (e.g., Runequest), or maybe Rolemaster (1e or 2e are both fine).

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AMand either Stars Without Number or Warpstar! (haven't decided which yet).

If you run Warpstar!, please post an actual play review. It sounds interesting.

There are a lot of RPGs to explore out there. And I'd still gladly play with my (or another's) current supplies of D&D 5e in private if it entertains me. As long as no new money or exposure is going to Hasbro/WotC where's the problem? 

As for what I'd play, depends on my mood and our agreed upon venue. If in public, I'd still happily to bust out my old skool D&D 2e. If asked how to get said D&D 2e stuff, I'd recommend secondhand used market, and explain my distaste for the current owner's business practices. But there are so many RPGs for different "feels" out there it would be hard to comment beyond favorite top 20 standbys.

Quote from: Spinachcat on January 25, 2023, 04:13:18 AM

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AMand either Stars Without Number or Warpstar! (haven't decided which yet).

If you run Warpstar!, please post an actual play review. It sounds interesting.

I probably wouldn't ever post an actual play, just because my players wouldn't want to be recorded. However, I have been meaning to start trying to make video reviews of any of the more obscure RPGs I want to run. A lot of the stuff I'm interested in has little-to-no review content out there, and when it does its usually reviews by people who haven't actually played the game.

Quote from: Jaeger on January 24, 2023, 03:45:38 PM

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
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If the question is where are the people who quit 5e over this going to go? Pathfinder first, probably. That seems to be where all the big YouTubers/"influencers" are leaning, and they'll take their audiences with them. Behind that, probably Savage Worlds.

PF2's audience is limited for table top play due to it's complexity. It'll probably get more traction with the VTT crowd due to the machine being able to do the systems heavy lifting.

I've never looked at Pathfinder 2e. Is it that much more complicated than D&D 5th? Pathfinder 1e was arguably less complicated than 3.5 (although also arguably more in some places), but people played both games for years before the VTT boom hit.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 24, 2023, 10:56:00 PM
Let's hope. My initial thought was to just run straight Helveczia and convert some Lamentations modules, since many of them are for the same time period and region. I figure that's a good match-up as well, since Lamentations adventures lean a bit too much towards being meat-grinders for my taste, but Helveczia PCs seem slightly more powerful than LOTFP ones, so it probably evens out. But I run my games on Roll20, and unfortunately there's no Helveczia character sheet for it (and I don't know dick about coding), so I'll probably have to use the Lamentations character sheet, and mix the two systems up. The only real downside is I'll probably have to use the LOTFP save system, which is fine on it's own, but the Helveczia save system is one of its more unique features.

Yeah, a lot of LotFP adventures are pretty deadly. I've heard a lot of good things about Helveczia and your comparison just sold me on the boxed set.