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Author Topic: Satine & Stone are Naughty  (Read 6019 times)


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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2022, 03:52:34 PM »
I've been on this for a few days; every time I think "Wow, what a ride that was..." someone else comes forward with a horror story about them.  There is no bottom, The Ride Never Ends.
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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2022, 04:04:56 PM »
I've been on this for a few days; every time I think "Wow, what a ride that was..." someone else comes forward with a horror story about them.  There is no bottom, The Ride Never Ends.

The sheer amount of shaudenfraude about this whole event is astounding.  The SJW's are eating a sex worker alive and shunning her Scarlet Letter style.

My dumptruck full of popcorn has almost run out.

let's not forget PHB is already running roughshod over them in thier comments sections.  That site hatest successful people in the RPG industry.  For all Satine's success she's about to burn like the proverbial bird her porn name is based on sans the rising part.
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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2022, 04:09:41 PM »
  Not knowing much beyond the story I just read....just looking at their pictures,  who is surprised?  A pair of self absorbed attention whores act shitty to people?  Call me shocked.  One thing I can say, I have never felt threatened or bullied at work, and if you do feel that way, stand up for yourself and get another job if the offender won't back off. 

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2022, 04:37:05 PM »
Pundit already did a short video on this: Whatever this is, it's not the RPG hobby

He's right. This nonsense has nothing to do with RPG's in any way.

Freaky theater kids getting into a mess with other freaky theater kids.

In other news: Water is Wet.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2022, 04:55:30 PM »
He's right. This nonsense has nothing to do with RPG's in any way.

Freaky theater kids getting into a mess with other freaky theater kids.

In other news: Water is Wet.

This seems like a sensible take.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2022, 06:17:34 PM »
I would normally stay out of things like this, but I actually own the digital version of an RPG that Satine illustrated for.  Machinations of a Space Princess. 

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/116412

And it’s good.  Yup, a good RPG. 

Now, it’s got nothing to do with Stone.  It’s written by “Grim Jim” James Desborough, somebody that RPG Pundit knows pretty well. 

In this context the important bit would be Satine’s art.  It’s also good.  Maybe not more complex than comic book panel art, but better than I can draw.   

That’s all I know.

Saying D&D is the best RPG is like saying Bud Lite is the best beer.  I don’t associate “popular” with “good”.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2022, 07:18:27 PM »
It's been a long time coming and this is nowhere near the end of the rabbit hole. Everyone who knows anybody of import in the industry knows these two, their entire social circle, and their stan-dom are PURE UNADULTERATED cancer without an ounce of talent, discretion, professionalism, respect, or sincerity to their name between them.

Their entire social circle clique has been quietly yet openly acting like this whenever a camera is not on them, and I'm not even JUST talking about their higher-rung employees but also their various friends who have wormed their way into all manner of other TTRPG companies.

I'm just waiting for more receipts to drop that implicate their entire social circle because they have all been 100% complicit in this and behave in a similar fashion and have been running a kind of whisper network that is used to defame people any of them have decided they don't like or who fail to appeal to the biggest and most bloated egos in the room. There are undoubtedly hundreds of people who have seen and been subject to this kind of treatment from the circles these two run in, and frankly, I cannot wait for the consequences to ripple out and ruin the careers of some of these most shitty fuckheads who, unlike Jameson and Phoenix, do NOT have generational wealth to live out the rest of their days in comfort.


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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2022, 08:17:45 PM »
I admit to enjoying this all a little too much as well.  I’ve read it all and it all confirms my misgivings. This kind of “cult of personality” tends to end this way.   I’ve seen some of her other “contributions” to RPGs and was left totally unimpressed so I was kind of waiting for the bubble to burst.  Him I don’t know at all but he struck me as the same kind of empty shirt. 

Now some are making excuses for her like, “maybe she’s a victim too and he manipulated her” but that’s not what the receipts are saying.  I’m in my popcorn dump truck, too, waiting to see how they rally to try to protect her ‘brand.’  I’m guessing WOTC is giving some free guidance on all that since she’s their spokespornstar. He’s already looking done and they appear to be rallying to save the revenue stream in her.  Ain’t looking good.

I’m starting to wonder if she, too, might buy the whole, “maybe I WAS manipulated” and, if so, how long before he’s kicked to the curb.  I know they’re newly married but if the ship goes all the way down they’d have to get real jobs in the real world, perish the thought.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2022, 08:22:25 PM »
I still can't get over how people elevate these types and make them into minor DM celebs. When 'yes men' surround you one tends to lose perspective of oneself.

That said, I thank them both for keeping me belly laughing at their whole demise.



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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2022, 08:34:37 PM »
Everyone is a drama queen online, and I have no idea what the truth is when it comes to social media receipts.

Like my other hobby, I look at Roleplaying games as a hobby. Hobbies cost me money. I see this as luxury, and I like my luxuries. I choose my indulgences.

Once something becomes a significant source of income, then it can become grubby and proletarian, and it'll kill your love if you let it. Money can poison any relationship.

(some people dream of making hobbies into professions, and I find that sad in most cases)

As a hobbyist, I'm beholden to no masters, and I like it that way. I owe nothing, and this gives me joy.

I'm also familiar with the name Satine Phoenix through Machinations of the Space Princess, and the rest seems like the usual internet drama.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2022, 09:58:03 PM »
Was she part of Zak S's crew?   I think I remember her name mentioned in the Vornheim book.
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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2022, 11:59:32 PM »
Nothing really horrific happened. Just the usual behavior one sees from dentists and lawyers that try to avoid paying fees for services rendered.

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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2022, 12:36:27 AM »
Was she part of Zak S's crew?   I think I remember her name mentioned in the Vornheim book.

Yes, Satine was previously an adult entertainer who played D&D with Zak S. She then became one of the stars on The Escapist's I Hit It With My Axe show. She springboarded from that into celebrity dungeonmastering and eventually joined WOTC alongside a couple of former Escapist colleagues as a community manager before launching her current biz. I was the executive producer of IHIWMA. She was absolutely lovely to work with. The descriptions of her online behavior certainly don't match my anecdotal experiences with her at all.




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Re: Satine & Stone are Naughty
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2022, 05:37:47 AM »
Was she part of Zak S's crew?   I think I remember her name mentioned in the Vornheim book.

Yes, Satine was previously an adult entertainer who played D&D with Zak S. She then became one of the stars on The Escapist's I Hit It With My Axe show. She springboarded from that into celebrity dungeonmastering and eventually joined WOTC alongside a couple of former Escapist colleagues as a community manager before launching her current biz. I was the executive producer of IHIWMA. She was absolutely lovely to work with. The descriptions of her online behavior certainly don't match my anecdotal experiences with her at all.

I really don't want to white knight for Satine, but the serious allegations do seem to be against her hubby. I do think all these people should receive less attention though - whether from yourself or from WotC, I think corporations should exercise a bit more discretion. Danger Hair is called that for a reason!  ;D