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Player Empowerment Run Amok

Started by mcbobbo, July 16, 2013, 03:11:24 PM

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mcbobbo

Now I know you're just fucking with me.

Fair enough.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

mcbobbo

Quote from: Exploderwizard;672476"Best asskicker in the history of the world" is a fine character concept. If it happens to be TRUE, then its also a mechanical concept, and one that is a bit too overpowered for most gameplay.

My view of it is that a 'character' is a person.  A fully realized person with a background, hope and dreams, a personality, etc.

"Best ass kicker in the world" may be a start, but it falls way, way short of that ideal.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Exploderwizard

Quote from: mcbobbo;672478My view of it is that a 'character' is a person.  A fully realized person with a background, hope and dreams, a personality, etc.

"Best ass kicker in the world" may be a start, but it falls way, way short of that ideal.

Agreed. That is why it is a concept and not a character.
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mcbobbo

These were my original two, from whence came the "best ass kicker in the world" suggestion:

Quote from: mcbobbo;671935A well rounded character concept that could represent an actual person, which happens to be optimized...

And

A highly effective mechanical construct with a passable character concept bolted on.

Which is a better fit?
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

taustin

Quote from: Exploderwizard;672476"Best asskicker in the history of the world" is a fine character concept. If it happens to be TRUE, then its also a mechanical concept,

Irrelevant, since McDumbass said it was only a mechanical concept.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;672476and one that is a bit too overpowered for most gameplay.

Which comes back to the issue of whether or not the group has the imagination and interest to play a game that is centered on something other than combat. It's a perfectly valid character concept, in any number of ways. Whether or not it fits in to a particular game is an issue with all character concepts. You can come up with the best concept for a starship captain, and it won't fit in to a high fantasy game, after all. But that doesn't make it a bad concept, or not a character concept. And every character concept is also a mechanical concept, unless you've abandoned the gaming end of the roleplaying game, and are doing pure improv storytelling.

taustin

Quote from: mcbobbo;672477Now I know you're just fucking with me.

Fair enough.

This isn't the first time you're run away, tail between your legs, when confronted with someone who acts like you. And it won't be the last, I'm sure.

taustin

Quote from: mcbobbo;672493These were my original two, from whence came the "best ass kicker in the world" suggestion:



Which is a better fit?

Depends on where you go from there. You lack the imagination to see the possibilities of either.

mcbobbo

Quote from: taustin;672516Depends on where you go from there. You lack the imagination to see the possibilities of either.

Wasn't asking you,  kiddo.  That would be a waste of time.  Or perhaps just too much effort to try and spin it in a way that fits your internet persona.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Bedrockbrendan

#128
Taustin, you keep disrupting threads with these kinds of exchanges with other posters and no rpg discussion is accomplished as a result. Please stop. You are entirley free to pepper your points about games and rpgs with insults if you must. But lets at least talk about those things.

Sacrosanct

Quote from: mcbobbo;672527Wasn't asking you,  kiddo.  That would be a waste of time.  Or perhaps just too much effort to try and spin it in a way that fits your internet persona.


I know your sig says what it says, but just ignore him.  I decided this afternoon that's probably the best course of action for him (and a couple others that are just here to troll people)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

mcbobbo

Quote from: Sacrosanct;672542I know your sig says what it says, but just ignore him.  I decided this afternoon that's probably the best course of action for him (and a couple others that are just here to troll people)

Yeah, I probably should. I may have to reconsider my policy.  See I read the forum primarily on my phone.  I have to actually scroll over to see who it is, and without knowing that it's taustin, I frequently see posts that seem like conversation.   FWIW I do seem to be junking up the board because of it.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Sacrosanct

Quote from: mcbobbo;672551Yeah, I probably should. I may have to reconsider my policy.  See I read the forum primarily on my phone.  I have to actually scroll over to see who it is, and without knowing that it's taustin, I frequently see posts that seem like conversation.   FWIW I do seem to be junking up the board because of it.

His back and forth with FACERIP was the big red flag.  FACERIP just trolls to get a reaction; we all know that.  And taustin went in right with him for a couple pages back and forth to see who was the bigger troll.

So I'm just going to ignore everything.  Tell him to grow up didn't work, so it's just easier this way.  YMMV of course.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

taustin

Quote from: mcbobbo;672527Wasn't asking you,  kiddo.  That would be a waste of time.

Since I've already demonstrated where your imagination fails, and you've admitted that you're not interested in a game that focuses on anything other than combat.

taustin

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672541Taustin, you keep disrupting threads with these kinds of exchanges with other posters and no rpg discussion is accomplished as a result. Please stop. You are entirley free to pepper your points about games and rpgs with insults if you must. But lets at least talk about those things.

You seem to be saying that the policy of this forum is that the only interesting kinds of games are those that focus on combat, either mainly or exclusively. I am trying to talk about gaming, to someone who is more intersted in preaching their One True Way.

And mcbobbo is a troll, pure and simple. And at this point (you are a mod, aren't you?), you really, actually are starting to remind me of TBP, with a mod (IIRC) protecting a favorite troll at the expense of someone who simply disagrees with him. He has engaged in outright namecalling, evasions, and occasionally making up what he wishes I'd said, but no actual discussion of the point I'm trying to make. The closest he's gotten is "Nu-uh, is not."

"Biggest ass kicker in the world" is a perfectly legitimate character concept. DC Comics has made millions off a franchise called Superman, in case you haven't noticed it. And it's at its best when it's not about ass kicking. It's an opportunity to do some introspective roleplaying and explore the mind set of someone who doesn't have to worry about much of anything in the way of physical danger. I've already mentioned a few ways this can come up in a game, like "whose ass do you kick to help a lost child fine their parent." But, since that's not focused exclusively on combat, troll-boy isn't intersted.

And you know what? As I've said before, that's fine, if that's how he likes to play. He's certainly in the majority for gamers overall. But not universal. Some of us have a little more imagination, and, I'm guessing a lot more experience.

And now you're bitching at me for wanting to explore something else.

It's a pity this forum package doesn't seem to support themes. I could change my color scheme to purple to remind me what is and isn't an acceptable topic. Maybe you should make me a list.