Quote from: mcbobbo;672551Yeah, I probably should. I may have to reconsider my policy.  See I read the forum primarily on my phone.  I have to actually scroll over to see who it is, and without knowing that it's taustin, I frequently see posts that seem like conversation.   FWIW I do seem to be junking up the board because of it.

Talking about me while pretending to not respond to me makes you look stupid.

And, for BedrockBrendon: McDumbass isn't talking about gaming here, either, but about me, in insulting terms, with zero gaming content. But you chide me by name, and not him.

In my experience all web fora eventually degenerate to urine soaked sand boxes with no one left but the mods and their pets. I was hoping this one would be different, but all of a sudden, I'm very skeptical.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;672554His back and forth with FACERIP was the big red flag.  FACERIP just trolls to get a reaction; we all know that.  And taustin went in right with him for a couple pages back and forth to see who was the bigger troll.

And it would have been a very different situation if people had attacked us both equally for that. But only one name comes up in the "stop that" bitches, and that's the new guy who the mods don't know.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672585Absolute last time I am going to say this: talk about RPGs.

Is that directed at me, only, or also at the other people in this thread who are talking about me instead of games? Serious question. Because if it's only at me, you won't need to ban me. Show me what you're made of as a mod.

Quote from: taustin;672584You seem to be saying that the policy of this forum is that the only interesting kinds of games are those that focus on combat, either mainly or exclusively. I am trying to talk about gaming, to someone who is more intersted in preaching their One True Way.

No. You can talk about any rpg you want, in whatever obnoxius way you want. What you can't do is disrupt the site by not talking about games at all, and instead just engaging in mud slinging with other posters that has no point beyond the mud slinging itself.

QuoteAnd mcbobbo is a troll, pure and simple. And at this point (you are a mod, aren't you?), you really, actually are starting to remind me of TBP, with a mod (IIRC) protecting a favorite troll at the expense of someone who simply disagrees with him. He has engaged in outright namecalling, evasions, and occasionally making up what he wishes I'd said, but no actual discussion of the point I'm trying to make. The closest he's gotten is "Nu-uh, is not."

The reason I singled you out and not McBobbo is because you have done this with multiple posters on multiple threads. If you think McBobbo is my favorite troll then you haven't been paying to all the times he and I disagree.

QuoteAnd now you're bitching at me for wanting to explore something else.

It's a pity this forum package doesn't seem to support themes. I could change my color scheme to purple to remind me what is and isn't an acceptable topic. Maybe you should make me a list.

I am bitching at you for having posts that are nothing but attacks on other posters and zero rpg content. If you want to talk about the biggest ass kicking character in the world, that is fine. If you want to talk about the biggest ass kicking character in the world and how much bedrockbrendan sucks because his character concept pales in comparison to your awesome ass kicking character, be my guest. But if you are going to engage in the mudslinging, have a point related to gaming as well. Don't just go around disrupting the threads.

Quote from: taustin;672588Is that directed at me, only, or also at the other people in this thread who are talking about me instead of games? Serious question. Because if it's only at me, you won't need to ban me. Show me what you're made of as a mod.

It was directed at you because you have been doing this with other posters and on other threads. But the sentiment applies to everyone.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672593It was directed at you because you have been doing this with other posters and on other threads. But the sentiment applies to everyone.

There are a lot of people here who do not like to be disagreed with. Which is OK. But some of them tend to trivialize what they don't agree with, as mcbobbo did with a character concept he can't wrap his head around. And they really, really don't like it when they get treated the same way in return. The only real difference is I'm a lot more up-front about it.

There are a lot more posts in this thread that have zero gaming content by other people than by me. There is an exchange back and forth several times about me, with zero gaming content. All because some people can't wrap their heads around a game differen than anything they've played in, or would want to. But I'm the only one who gets singled out by name. That's insulting.

Frankly, this thread should have been locked about the third time it veered off topic. Or the fifth. Or the tenth.

Easy way to solve this problem.

1. Don't play games that are masturbatory math exercises.

2. Don't play in organized play.

3. Do play with your friends.

Contemporary D&D is one big character-optimizing circlejerk.  What I wouldn't give to see a revised and updated AD&D 2e.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;672596Easy way to solve this problem.

1. Don't play games that are masturbatory math exercises.

2. Don't play in organized play.

3. Do play with your friends.

This is indeed, a solidly logical common sense answer.

Welcome aboard!

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672592No. You can talk about any rpg you want, in whatever obnoxius way you want. What you can't do is disrupt the site by not talking about games at all, and instead just engaging in mud slinging with other posters that has no point beyond the mud slinging itself.

So you consider mcboob's gay blind unicorn to be talking about gaming? Because what it was, really, was a dismissal of an idea he didn't have, doesn 't get, and would want to game around if he did. But when I offered a comment on how it could, indeed, be an interesting character concept (in a game that isn't focused on combat, where ass-kicking ability is simply a background note), he completely ignored it. Did not even acknowledge it had been said. And then started a back-and-forth with someone else about me, with zero gaming content.

But I'm the only one who gets singled out by name.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;672596Easy way to solve this problem.

1. Don't play games that are masturbatory math exercises.

Unless you're in to that sort of thing.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;6725962. Don't play in organized play.

Unless you're in to that sort of thing.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;6725963. Do play with your friends.

I'm going to refrain from taking that to the gutter. Unless you're in to that sort of thing.

That kind of tightly scripted even must have something to offer. People do participate.

Quote from: taustin;672595There are a lot of people here who do not like to be disagreed with. Which is OK. But some of them tend to trivialize what they don't agree with, as mcbobbo did with a character concept he can't wrap his head around. And they really, really don't like it when they get treated the same way in return. The only real difference is I'm a lot more up-front about it.

There are a lot more posts in this thread that have zero gaming content by other people than by me. There is an exchange back and forth several times about me, with zero gaming content. All because some people can't wrap their heads around a game differen than anything they've played in, or would want to. But I'm the only one who gets singled out by name. That's insulting.

Again, I was responding to a pattern of behavior. Every time I have had to step in and remind people not to disrupt a thread lately, the common denominator has been you. Please feel free to report other instances of disruption to bring them to our attention.

Quote from: taustin;672598So you consider mcboob's gay blind unicorn to be talking about gaming? Because what it was, really, was a dismissal of an idea he didn't have, doesn 't get, and would want to game around if he did. But when I offered a comment on how it could, indeed, be an interesting character concept (in a game that isn't focused on combat, where ass-kicking ability is simply a background note), he completely ignored it. Did not even acknowledge it had been said. And then started a back-and-forth with someone else about me, with zero gaming content.

But I'm the only one who gets singled out by name.

Cry me a river blubber-boy. :boohoo:

Now, for all the knuckleheads and the hard of reading, this thread is not about taustin or mcbobbo, but the quandary that the OP posted.

Get back to that please or i'm most likely going to go next door and kick their cat and we wouldn't want that would we.

Quote from: taustin;672598So you consider mcboob's gay blind unicorn to be talking about gaming? Because what it was, really, was a dismissal of an idea he didn't have, doesn 't get, and would want to game around if he did. But when I offered a comment on how it could, indeed, be an interesting character concept (in a game that isn't focused on combat, where ass-kicking ability is simply a background note), he completely ignored it. Did not even acknowledge it had been said. And then started a back-and-forth with someone else about me, with zero gaming content.

But I'm the only one who gets singled out by name.

Dismissal of an rpg related idea is on topic. My job here isn't to make sure everyone gets along, or is nice. My only concern is that the site isn't being disrupted by posters consistently taking threads off topic. If you feel you were treated unfairly, that is fine. Take it to the help desk or PM pundit. I am entirely open to the other mods looking at the threads and judging whether I made the correct call here.

But note, I issued more than one general warning to everyone, then I singled you out for mention when you continued and when it was clear to me this was occuring over more than one thread. And I didn't take any actual action. You are not banned, you have no official warning on your account. You have just been asked to please not disrupt the site.

QuoteThat kind of tightly scripted even must have something to offer. People do participate.

I imagine that it's partly "bad gaming is better than no gaming."  Most of the DMs and players are likely reasonable, but there's always a bad apple among the lot.  And perhaps the min/maxxer does not realize he is ruining the game for everyone else.  Perhaps he asked for help in building a character for the game on the Paizo forums.  Perhaps the GM is reading the rules wrong.  Who knows?

Point being, I would never sign up for any sort of organized play because the DM ought to be able to customize the game for the group.  If the group is filled with new players, for instance, it is likely that their characters will be substantially weaker than those of experienced players.  They'll die quickly in any sort of organized play, which is not fun for the DM or the players.  Shouldn't the DM be able to change the encounters based on what suits his players?

So not to repost, but getting back on topic...  Exploder, and others...

These were my original two, from whence came the "best ass kicker in the world" suggestion:

Quote from: mcbobbo;671935A well rounded character concept that could represent an actual person, which happens to be optimized...

And

A highly effective mechanical construct with a passable character concept bolted on.

Which is a better fit?

Because I think this really drives home what bugs me about the bison's player.  If the GM can change the species of your character, and it doesn't interrupt your concept, then it isn't yet a 'character'.  In most circumstances, anyway.  Particularly when you can change it as much as I did with unicorn example and the description still fits.