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Author Topic: OBS new policies  (Read 5647 times)

GhostNinja

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #150 on: June 30, 2022, 02:37:24 PM »
I'd certainly be interested in a new platform.  I've always hesitated to "publish" my work through drivethru due to their ties to rpg.net and kickstarter just always feels like a bad way to get in over your head.

 I want to create something developer/Publisher friendly so they can post their items and not feel like they are walking on egg shells.   That is no fun.   Kind of how it feels posting on the big purple.

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« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2022, 02:39:21 PM »
DriveInRPG.com


While I appreciate the suggestion, DriveINRpg.com is too close to Drivethrurpg.com and knowing that OBS are a bunch of shitheads, they would try to sue if I used that name, not to mention do so to get rid of any possible competition.

Don't need to give them any ammo.

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« Reply #152 on: June 30, 2022, 02:47:18 PM »
I'd certainly be interested in a new platform.  I've always hesitated to "publish" my work through drivethru due to their ties to rpg.net and kickstarter just always feels like a bad way to get in over your head.

 I want to create something developer/Publisher friendly so they can post their items and not feel like they are walking on egg shells.   That is no fun.   Kind of how it feels posting on the big purple.
My advice would be to do this project in equal partnership with an established RPG designer (Pundit would be my first choice, but Grim, Venger, Raggi, or TheEvilDM would also be a decent choice, or maybe someone else who shares our views). No offense, but you are not exactly someone that people would eagerly put their trust in to sell their products since you're not an established name in the industry. I think that you will need the credibility of someone who's, at least somewhat, a known name in the TTRPG medium.

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« Reply #153 on: June 30, 2022, 02:53:55 PM »
My advice would be to do this project in equal partnership with an established RPG designer (Pundit would be my first choice, but Grim, Venger, Raggi, or TheEvilDM would also be a decent choice, or maybe someone else who shares our views). No offense, but you are not exactly someone that people would eagerly put their trust in to sell their products since you're not an established name in the industry. I think that you will need the credibility of someone who's, at least somewhat, a known name in the TTRPG medium.

As GJ said in his video, you need to target getting some mid-sized publishers not deemed part of the that sphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpEzHzCttzs

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« Reply #154 on: June 30, 2022, 02:59:42 PM »

It depends, is it a paid position? Living in México if you give me the US minimum wage I'm golden.

If it's not I could still help from time to time.

I will have to see what the money situation is.  If possible, it could be a paid spot.   I am going to try to keep things lean at first to help it succeed, but I will need help.

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« Reply #155 on: June 30, 2022, 03:02:56 PM »
As GJ said in his video, you need to target getting some mid-sized publishers not deemed part of the that sphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpEzHzCttzs

Thanks for the link.   I will check out the video when I have a chance.  Busy day at work today.

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« Reply #156 on: June 30, 2022, 03:10:17 PM »
Someone sat down and ran numbers.  “We make 30% of X number of sales for $Y.  It costs us $Z in labor to review everything after bullshittery.  $Z is larger than we are making.  Cut these creators lose.”

And a confirmation of this from Steve Wieck's blog response:  https://medium.com/oneblogshelf/onebookshelfs-recently-amended-conduct-guidelines-dfc073f9c954

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This marketing ploy depletes time and resources, both professional and emotional, from both our customer service and publisher relations teams each time it happens, invariably far out of proportion to any benefit we see from selling such titles.
In short, we are not interested in being the scapegoat for any publisher who wishes to repeatedly market titles via attempting to generate outrage towards us.

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« Reply #157 on: June 30, 2022, 03:11:29 PM »

TheRPGBookshop.com
TheRpgLibrary.com
TabletopLibrary.com
RPG-Direct.com

I like TheRPGBookshop.com and RPG-Direct.com.   The Bookshop one may be my favorite.    Not sure about library because that sounds like it lends out books that have to be returned.

Thank you for the suggestions.

RPG-Direct has a nice ring to it.
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« Reply #158 on: June 30, 2022, 03:12:52 PM »

It depends, is it a paid position? Living in México if you give me the US minimum wage I'm golden.

If it's not I could still help from time to time.

I will have to see what the money situation is.  If possible, it could be a paid spot.   I am going to try to keep things lean at first to help it succeed, but I will need help.

I'm willing to donate time for a while.
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« Reply #159 on: June 30, 2022, 03:19:57 PM »
And a confirmation of this from Steve Wieck's blog response:  https://medium.com/oneblogshelf/onebookshelfs-recently-amended-conduct-guidelines-dfc073f9c954


Translation: People are complaining so we now have to backpeddle and try to make the changes look better.  Got it.

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« Reply #160 on: June 30, 2022, 03:20:49 PM »

RPG-Direct has a nice ring to it.

Yep, it's under consideration.

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« Reply #161 on: June 30, 2022, 03:21:37 PM »

I'm willing to donate time for a while.

I appreciate it.  If I can pay I will.   If you donate time I will figure a way to reward you/pay you back for that.

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« Reply #162 on: June 30, 2022, 04:20:20 PM »
I emailed feedback. I will not purchase from them unless they immediately reverse course.

How optimistic! In the good old days that’s all it took. The new generation doesn’t reverse course. Staff would need to be fully replaced, the site needs a modernized interface, and then most importantly you need people to accept your apology. This is basically a big F you to all publishers, who no matter how small contributed to staff salaries and kept the site alive for all these years.

Sadly, I’m not optimistic. They are undoubtedly watching this thread. If everyone upset emailed and posted here, who knows.

If not, it doesn’t matter. It is good enough for me to just move on. I canceled a Disney cruise, scrapped a planned trip and have sadly not see Obi-Wan. I haven’t ordered a single thing from Amazon in 13-14 months now. I have even turned my back on my beloved Ohio State Wokeyes.

My life is missing nothing. There are so many other options.

Like the above examples, I do not care whether OBS and I share political views. We actually may agree on quite a bit. But I will never stand for their tactics.

The struggle is real!  Change is difficult, but sometimes necessary.  Can I help celebrate your newfound freedom and independence by sending you one or more PDFs (on the house)?  Just let me know...

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« Reply #163 on: June 30, 2022, 04:23:12 PM »

My advice would be to do this project in equal partnership with an established RPG designer (Pundit would be my first choice, but Grim, Venger, Raggi, or TheEvilDM would also be a decent choice, or maybe someone else who shares our views). No offense, but you are not exactly someone that people would eagerly put their trust in to sell their products since you're not an established name in the industry. I think that you will need the credibility of someone who's, at least somewhat, a known name in the TTRPG medium.

Funny you say that because the video that Grim just put out video saying the exact opposite.  Interesting

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« Reply #164 on: June 30, 2022, 04:36:14 PM »

My advice would be to do this project in equal partnership with an established RPG designer (Pundit would be my first choice, but Grim, Venger, Raggi, or TheEvilDM would also be a decent choice, or maybe someone else who shares our views). No offense, but you are not exactly someone that people would eagerly put their trust in to sell their products since you're not an established name in the industry. I think that you will need the credibility of someone who's, at least somewhat, a known name in the TTRPG medium.

Funny you say that because the video that Grim just put out video saying the exact opposite.  Interesting

None of the known not woke creators can be the face, they can be silent and secret partners (if that's legal).

What you do need is to get them to sell on your site, that's people with a built in audience pointing buyers to the new store.

Focus on medium/small creators, their stuff gets lost on DTTRPG, buried by the big fish and the crapton of crap content.

Which reminds me of another thing, how to prevent a flood of crap that buries the other stuff?

I mean all the 2 pages "rpgs" and that sort of stuff. I'm not saying those shouldn't be allowed, I'm saying there needs to be someway to prevent low quality content from burying the other stuff by sheer numbers.

One idea is to have the landing page be a cured catalogue of publishers/creators, cured by selling power, not downloads but dollars, thus if I publish 1000 free 2 pages crap I can't bury the people driving money into the coffers.

Right below that I would put the best sellers, then the best sellers by category.

Main problem is you'd have no POD at the start, so free quality stuff (White Box, SWN, etc) on PDF would need to be curated and put somewhere easy to find (If/when those publishers/creators sign up to sell there).
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