Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 02:41:37 PM
Well the morons on the big purple turd are advocating for deplatforming even as OBS is a defacto monopoly

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-publisher-conduct-guidelines-at-onebookshelf.898908/

I wonder why Scott J. Holden doesn't post here at TheRPGsite?  They seem pretty chummy with him over at The Big Purple.  Weird...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on June 29, 2022, 10:18:01 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 05:41:34 PM

Quote from: zircher on June 29, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
I'm sure that they're fine with it until it is used against them.  It's that how the story always goes?

You are right about that.

So, let's find every game with a trans character under age 18 and report them for child abuse (the state of Florida aG even suggested hormone replacement and trans surgery on minors as child abuse, so we've got legal cover).   Then harvest the LOLs...

Here's your first... LOL!

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
I am as serious as it gets.

I'm glad to offer any assistance as well. DevOps and DevSecOps is my trade, 23 years experience.

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 30, 2022, 09:26:52 AM
Any thoughts on a good name?

  Your Role-Playing Games

Which allows the play on it of

  Your Role? Playing Games

yourrpgs.com

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 30, 2022, 04:23:12 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 30, 2022, 02:47:18 PM

My advice would be to do this project in equal partnership with an established RPG designer (Pundit would be my first choice, but Grim, Venger, Raggi, or TheEvilDM would also be a decent choice, or maybe someone else who shares our views). No offense, but you are not exactly someone that people would eagerly put their trust in to sell their products since you're not an established name in the industry. I think that you will need the credibility of someone who's, at least somewhat, a known name in the TTRPG medium.

Funny you say that because the video that Grim just put out video saying the exact opposite.  Interesting

Eh, I can't agree with him on this. Let's be honest here, the main appeal of your OBS alternative would be that it's more pro-free speech than the OBS, so that's how you should market it. Anyone who outspokenly supports free speech is controversial in the TTRPG industry.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 04:36:14 PM

Focus on medium/small creators, their stuff gets lost on DTTRPG, buried by the big fish and the crapton of crap content.

Which reminds me of another thing, how to prevent a flood of crap that buries the other stuff?

I mean all the 2 pages "rpgs" and that sort of stuff. I'm not saying those shouldn't be allowed, I'm saying there needs to be someway to prevent low quality content from burying the other stuff by sheer numbers.

That. Nothing worse than working 8+ months on something and BAM! Someone just uploaded 10 single page "RPGs". Spotlight gone!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 04:36:14 PM
I mean all the 2 pages "rpgs" and that sort of stuff. I'm not saying those shouldn't be allowed, I'm saying there needs to be someway to prevent low quality content from burying the other stuff by sheer numbers.

This is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but with a good content tagging system, it should be easy to solve this. Have tags for page count and it'd be easy to filter out those 1-2 page products.

TBH I don't really ever want to see those types of items and I've always disliked seeing them come up when I search for content. Maybe I never spent enough time with their search feature.

Quote from: Zelen on June 30, 2022, 07:13:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 04:36:14 PM
I mean all the 2 pages "rpgs" and that sort of stuff. I'm not saying those shouldn't be allowed, I'm saying there needs to be someway to prevent low quality content from burying the other stuff by sheer numbers.

This is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but with a good content tagging system, it should be easy to solve this. Have tags for page count and it'd be easy to filter out those 1-2 page products.

TBH I don't really ever want to see those types of items and I've always disliked seeing them come up when I search for content. Maybe I never spent enough time with their search feature.

Give them their own category? Ultra Small RPGs.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 04:36:14 PM

Focus on medium/small creators, their stuff gets lost on DTTRPG, buried by the big fish and the crapton of crap content.

Which reminds me of another thing, how to prevent a flood of crap that buries the other stuff?

I mean all the 2 pages "rpgs" and that sort of stuff. I'm not saying those shouldn't be allowed, I'm saying there needs to be someway to prevent low quality content from burying the other stuff by sheer numbers.

That. Nothing worse than working 8+ months on something and BAM! Someone just uploaded 10 single page "RPGs". Spotlight gone!

Since I have more than 8 months already on the RPG I want to publish first I couldn't agree more.

Honestly this is a self serving proposal. But I honesly think it's a good one for the site and the publishers.

Quote from: Palleon on June 30, 2022, 03:10:17 PM

Quote from: Palleon on June 29, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
Someone sat down and ran numbers.  "We make 30% of X number of sales for $Y.  It costs us $Z in labor to review everything after bullshittery.  $Z is larger than we are making.  Cut these creators lose."

And a confirmation of this from Steve Wieck's blog response:  https://medium.com/oneblogshelf/onebookshelfs-recently-amended-conduct-guidelines-dfc073f9c954

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This marketing ploy depletes time and resources, both professional and emotional, from both our customer service and publisher relations teams each time it happens, invariably far out of proportion to any benefit we see from selling such titles.
In short, we are not interested in being the scapegoat for any publisher who wishes to repeatedly market titles via attempting to generate outrage towards us.

Here's the thing. I totally respect the guy and it's not easy to build a business from the ground up. Of course you only want people to see the good and that's universal. However, either he's being cynical or they lacking team communication.

I saw drivethrurpg in 2016 and now, six years later, it has only worsened. There's a overwhelming amount of woke content, and things I'd rather not see. It would have been easier for the site to add a woke works filter and leave the rest of us who don't care about this movement alone?

The big issue with a new RPG PDF shop is DriveThruRPG takes a smaller chunk of the profits if your PDF product is exclusive with them. Thus anyone who joins another PDF site will watch their DriveThru profits shrivel significantly.

Of course, there's also DriveThru's following of customers. It's hard to get customers to visit (and trust) another vendor and marketing is prohibitly expensive considering the very low profits of RPG PDFs.

Also, DriveThru offering POD puts them ahead of a competitor which was just PDF downloads. Thus, a new competitor would have to spend heavily on marketing and have POD contracts in an industry with already thin profits.

AKA, its not financially viable.

So what's the solution?

DriveThru is beholden to the freak brigade as the hobby gets more libtarded, not less. Heck, GenCon is now hosting "No-Whiteys-Allowed Events" so we know where the hobby is going - off the woke cliff.

Thus, we need:

1) Someone willing to risk chunky money for a low chance of profit.

2) Publishers willing to get paid less in the biggest RPG venue. Perhaps publishers could create a "Free Speech Imprint" that operates separately than the company they use to publish on DriveThru.

3) Customers who will trust giving their credit cards to a new startup instead of just sticking with DriveThru.

As much as we need a parallel economy in our hobby, I don't see an easy path forward. Instead, I see LOTS of financial risk and low customer interest.

Non-scientific poll shows a little over half prefer DriveThru and 40% to purchase directly from the publishers.

https://twitter.com/jasonbulmahn/status/1542220308622413824?s=21&t=saoM06r5tXrOqOV3s8G-gA

Quote from: Zalman on June 30, 2022, 04:53:09 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
I am as serious as it gets.

I'm glad to offer any assistance as well. DevOps and DevSecOps is my trade, 23 years experience.

Thank you, I appreciate it.  I will keep you in mind and if need be I will reach out to you

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 30, 2022, 06:12:30 PM
Eh, I can't agree with him on this. Let's be honest here, the main appeal of your OBS alternative would be that it's more pro-free speech than the OBS, so that's how you should market it. Anyone who outspokenly supports free speech is controversial in the TTRPG industry.

I agree, and free speech is a main tenant to my plan.   If an item violates our policy, report it.  But we wont pull it until we are sure it actually violates or policy and it will have to be really bad to do so.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 30, 2022, 09:48:59 PM
As much as we need a parallel economy in our hobby, I don't see an easy path forward. Instead, I see LOTS of financial risk and low customer interest.

We are in the era of niche marketing. Mass appeal is limiting. Why do you think corporations went woke? The problem with that is it's taking its tow toll in western society from north to south. I strongly believe a lot of woke corporate isn't woke at all.