OBS new policies

BoxCrayonTales · June 28, 2022, 07:22:15 PM

They also banned bigotry, child abuse, and "criminal perversion." Do they realize how far reaching that is or are they going to selectively enforce these rules? This content ban applies to huge swathes of Storyteller Vault, for example.

FelixGamingX1 · June 28, 2022, 07:26:40 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 28, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
Just watched the James Raggi vid. I've got to say, he knocked it out of the fucking park.

Drivthru are very disingenuous with their very deliberate and 'non-specific' rules that do not favor the indie creator. Fuck em!

Take my stuff down, you fat corporate bastards.

By the looks of it, DTRPG just went into full self destruct mode. When I pulled out of their store I already had the gut feeling the site was going to collapse. While my reasons for leaving were mostly due to high percentage cut, wokeness has done what it does best. I'll be honest, don't think they'll be able to recover from this. Raggi's video shares so many similar opinions it's not even funny. Respect.

Rob Necronomicon · June 28, 2022, 07:30:15 PM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2022, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 28, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
Just watched the James Raggi vid. I've got to say, he knocked it out of the fucking park.

Drivthru are very disingenuous with their very deliberate and 'non-specific' rules that do not favor the indie creator. Fuck em!

Take my stuff down, you fat corporate bastards.

By the looks of it, DTRPG just went into full self destruct mode. When I pulled out of their store I already had the gut feeling the site was going to collapse. While my reasons for leaving were mostly due to high percentage cut, wokeness has done what it does best. I'll be honest, don't think they'll be able to recover from this. Raggi's video shares so many similar opinions it's not even funny. Respect.

Yeah, total respect and fingers crossed that some good comes out of this. It's great having someone like Raggi putting his money where his mouth is.

It should be so painfully obvious now just how much we need another competitor(s).

GeekyBugle · June 28, 2022, 09:26:30 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 28, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2022, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 28, 2022, 07:09:21 PM
Just watched the James Raggi vid. I've got to say, he knocked it out of the fucking park.

Drivthru are very disingenuous with their very deliberate and 'non-specific' rules that do not favor the indie creator. Fuck em!

Take my stuff down, you fat corporate bastards.

By the looks of it, DTRPG just went into full self destruct mode. When I pulled out of their store I already had the gut feeling the site was going to collapse. While my reasons for leaving were mostly due to high percentage cut, wokeness has done what it does best. I'll be honest, don't think they'll be able to recover from this. Raggi's video shares so many similar opinions it's not even funny. Respect.

Yeah, total respect and fingers crossed that some good comes out of this. It's great having someone like Raggi putting his money where his mouth is.

It should be so painfully obvious now just how much we need another competitor(s).

If Raggi, You, FelixGamingX1 and others are serious about it you could pull together your resources, get a hosting service, buy a domain, install prestashop and buy the books template.

It's an instant ebook ecommerce bookstore.

Hopladamus · June 28, 2022, 09:54:21 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Yes, but it's an extremely poor business practice for a big marketplace such as OBS. They can just ignore my criticism if they are not interested.

Hopladamus · June 28, 2022, 09:57:53 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on June 28, 2022, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on June 28, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

Because your politics aren't constitutionally protected,but your religion is, hth.

And that's an oversight that should be fixed by the government. Either they remove all protected classes or add personal politics as one of them.

This is a bad post, and you should feel bad.

And yet, I don't, because I see nothing wrong with it.

HappyDaze · June 28, 2022, 10:20:33 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Yes, but it's an extremely poor business practice for a big marketplace such as OBS. They can just ignore my criticism if they are not interested.

Or perhaps, as another poster pointed out, they really aren't that big so that when shit is flung at them, they feel it and want to hit back. If that's the case, you can put up your fight, but on their turf you're going to lose. They might lose you as a customer, but they seem comfortable with the consequences. You'll lose access to anythign there you might want to sell as well as anything you've bought. Is it worth it to you?

HappyDaze · June 28, 2022, 10:25:19 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on June 28, 2022, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Heavy Josh on June 28, 2022, 05:54:58 PM
This just got posted. Apologies if it's already been posted in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PufXMjSA-Kw

Great video but I have to ask, did he have to do the video shirtless? Kind of hard to take him seriously.

I agree and was relieved that the camera never went lower than it did.

Almost_Useless · June 28, 2022, 10:40:23 PM

If they decide they can do this to producers, why not buyers? How long until something that you put on Facebook, Twitter, or here gets you locked out of your DTRPG account? Banned at TBP, auto-banned at OBS, too?

FingerRod · June 28, 2022, 10:44:27 PM

I emailed feedback. I will not purchase from them unless they immediately reverse course.

HappyDaze · June 28, 2022, 10:45:51 PM

Quote from: Almost_Useless on June 28, 2022, 10:40:23 PM
If they decide they can do this to producers, why not buyers? How long until something that you put on Facebook, Twitter, or here gets you locked out of your DTRPG account? Banned at TBP, auto-banned at OBS, too?

Sure, they can do that too. It's back to that right to refuse service for any/no reason whatsoever.

Does Apple have the abilty to lock users out of their app store? I haven't used an apple product in < 10 years, and I can't recall the user agreement, so I'm seriously asking (assuming that anyone actually reads their user agreements).

Almost_Useless · June 28, 2022, 10:46:41 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 28, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
They also banned bigotry, child abuse, and "criminal perversion." Do they realize how far reaching that is or are they going to selectively enforce these rules? This content ban applies to huge swathes of Storyteller Vault, for example.

What happens if something is perfectly legal in Seattle, but not Ottowa? Who's naughty list wins?

FelixGamingX1 · June 28, 2022, 11:17:49 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on June 28, 2022, 10:44:27 PM
I emailed feedback. I will not purchase from them unless they immediately reverse course.

How optimistic! In the good old days that's all it took. The new generation doesn't reverse course. Staff would need to be fully replaced, the site needs a modernized interface, and then most importantly you need people to accept your apology. This is basically a big F you to all publishers, who no matter how small contributed to staff salaries and kept the site alive for all these years.

Hopladamus · June 29, 2022, 04:14:06 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Yes, but it's an extremely poor business practice for a big marketplace such as OBS. They can just ignore my criticism if they are not interested.
Or perhaps, as another poster pointed out, they really aren't that big so that when shit is flung at them, they feel it and want to hit back. If that's the case, you can put up your fight, but on their turf you're going to lose. They might lose you as a customer, but they seem comfortable with the consequences. You'll lose access to anythign there you might want to sell as well as anything you've bought. Is it worth it to you?

It's not that they are not a big company, it's just that tabletop RPGs are not a big industry. What would happen if the other companies started banning people from criticizing them? Are we to just stop doing game criticism completely?

FingerRod · June 29, 2022, 06:44:00 AM

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2022, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on June 28, 2022, 10:44:27 PM
I emailed feedback. I will not purchase from them unless they immediately reverse course.

How optimistic! In the good old days that's all it took. The new generation doesn't reverse course. Staff would need to be fully replaced, the site needs a modernized interface, and then most importantly you need people to accept your apology. This is basically a big F you to all publishers, who no matter how small contributed to staff salaries and kept the site alive for all these years.

Sadly, I'm not optimistic. They are undoubtedly watching this thread. If everyone upset emailed and posted here, who knows.

If not, it doesn't matter. It is good enough for me to just move on. I canceled a Disney cruise, scrapped a planned trip and have sadly not see Obi-Wan. I haven't ordered a single thing from Amazon in 13-14 months now. I have even turned my back on my beloved Ohio State Wokeyes.

My life is missing nothing. There are so many other options.

Like the above examples, I do not care whether OBS and I share political views. We actually may agree on quite a bit. But I will never stand for their tactics.