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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #135 on: June 30, 2022, 11:02:44 AM »

This is why I'm against such policies. You never know when it will be used against you, and it will be used against you.

The problem is that it will probably take a while for this to turn on the woke and in that time they could do irreversible damage.

Yep, and the people on the big purple were naively saying that it wouldn't happen or it wouldn't be a big problem.   It's like they are clueless to how the world really works.  Especially these days where people are assholes to each other openly.

We're already seeing the consequences of similar actions happening openly. E.g. after a certain legal ruling was recently overturned, Facebook immediately banned the promotion of products used to prevent the creation of life.

Corpos don't actually care about morality. Not ones that exist for long, anyway. They care about maximizing profit, because under the Darwinian capitalist system the ones that don't go out of business. As soon as it becomes convenient and legal to discriminate against people who are perceived as reducing profits, then corpos will discriminate. They don't care what their targets believe.

If OBS wasn't biased, e.g. they disallowed anyone from using their shop as a blatant political campaign platform, then I wouldn't have an issue. These are games, after all, and OBS is not a political platform. But they're not doing that. They're letting wokies sell products that openly state the author's values and insult anyone who doesn't 100% agree, but punishing anyone who does the same thing for any message right of woke. The content policy currently basically bans huge swathes of the population from engaging with it unless they carefully sanitize their products to avoid offending the woke and maintain completely anonymity so that the woke don't try to dox them anyway, while letting the woke do whatever they want. As soon as the pendulum swings...

I may not agree with the right, but I still recognize you as human beings with human rights and I still want your money damnit. The best way to handle political ideas you don't like isn't to censor them, but to calmly and rationally debate them.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #136 on: June 30, 2022, 11:41:18 AM »
One concern I'll raise:

As we've seen over the years, there's always some disagreements over what content belongs on a site. This can change over time too, as websites may change hands, or staff can become polarized in unpredictable ways. Who would have predicted, a less than five years ago, that child genital mutilation & sterilization would be major "controversial" issues?

It would be nice if the site were to use a permissionless protocol for content storage. e.g. LBRY. The benefit of using this is that if someone were to purchase a product from the site, it would always be available to them (downloadable, obviously you can always download a file and store locally) even if the site later decided to stop selling that product.

IMO this is a nice selling point and gives me confidence the site won't try to pull the rug out from under me.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #137 on: June 30, 2022, 11:55:11 AM »
Any thoughts on a good name?



The-Sellbook (the-sellbook.com)
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TheRpgLibrary.com
TabletopLibrary.com
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #138 on: June 30, 2022, 12:02:55 PM »
I've dealt with skinheads and neo-Nazis bullying me as a child (outright hazing, including/up to physical assault) and I have no problem with allowing them to speak freely. I'm a free speech radical.

I think all speech should not be censored.

It's a truly weak kind of "morality" that requires speech to be banned. If your thought is so weak that you require something else be banned (lest others be tempted or corrupted), then your ideas weren't any good to begin with.

Like, in the case of radical skinheads... I don't care if they shout in my face because their ideas suck ass. Let them speak freely. They'll hang themselves in the face of facts and simple reality.

Censorship is for the weak, and yet, we live in a society.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #139 on: June 30, 2022, 01:53:59 PM »
I'd certainly be interested in a new platform.  I've always hesitated to "publish" my work through drivethru due to their ties to rpg.net and kickstarter just always feels like a bad way to get in over your head.
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2022, 01:57:24 PM »
Any thoughts on a good name?



The-Sellbook (the-sellbook.com)
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2022, 01:59:55 PM »

No problem! I mean, if anyone has contacts with Clown Fish or Jeremy Hambley they also might be worth getting in touch with as they have a huge audience. I know Pundit talked to him before about something. I think it was the case when Hambley was attacked at Gen Con (if I remember correctly).

I'm sure there are others out there too with big platforms that might have an interest in RPGs and that could help spread the good word. :)

I will keep that in mind, thanks for the suggestion.

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« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2022, 02:02:19 PM »
Another important step to consider is how to handle bad actors. If the site will be open to everyone then it gotta avoid making drivethru’s biggest flaws all over again. I thought I was the only one being abused there. Basically the same tactics used to cancel celebs were pulled on me. Which means there was a lack of will to fix the issue.

I have been thinking about this.   I do believe that bad actors should be handled.  I was thinking that if someone does complain, the item would be reviewed but not taken down unless it is deemed to be a violation of the rules.   That way reporting cannot be used as a weapon like it is with OBS.

What are some rules that you can think of that are a hard NO on.   I mean child rape and things like that.  I would like to figure out a set of rules for things too horrible to be allowed, but still allow people to push the envelope.

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« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2022, 02:03:40 PM »
Reviewing would have to be totally overhauled.

As stated above, any item that gets a complaint would be reviewed and then if it violates the guide would be taken down, thus removing the ability to use the complaint system as a weapon to settle beefs.

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« Reply #144 on: June 30, 2022, 02:10:02 PM »

Put some shitlords in charge of that.

Are you volunteering?   ;D


No content gets taken down until after reviewed.

False flagging content gets you banned.

These are both policies I have thought about and would be the policies that I would use.


Only Illegal content gets removed? (I'm not for having Varg or ther JG guy on a site I own but I'm not the owner so)

Absolutely.  Dont need legal trouble.  Being a start up is difficult enough as it is.

As for categories:

OSR must have an actual meaning, I vote it should be reserved for games that are compatible with old D&D.

Great suggestion.

A different category for retroclones of other systems.
Maybe a broader one called Old School, then inside it OSR, OSG (this one with system divisions{d6, 2d6, 3d6, d%, etc})

Sounds good.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2022, 02:11:26 PM »
A question, if I may:

How 'hardened' is your web service going to be? Against both loud bot-driven Twitter ranting, as well as actual DDoS attacks?

As good as possible,.   If someone wants to attack and cause problems, they will be able to do it.   I could employ cloudflare which helps protect against DD0s attacks.

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« Reply #146 on: June 30, 2022, 02:13:35 PM »

Unfortunately nowadays there’s no way to stop brute force login attempts. I get failed logins constantly, and banning IPs is not even a thing anymore.

Yep.  Cloudflare is helpful against redirecting DD0s attack but like you say, if someone wants to be a jerk, there isnt a real way to stop them.

Just have to work to make sure security is as good as it possibly can be.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2022, 02:14:39 PM »

Put some shitlords in charge of that.

Are you volunteering?   ;D


No content gets taken down until after reviewed.

False flagging content gets you banned.

These are both policies I have thought about and would be the policies that I would use.


Only Illegal content gets removed? (I'm not for having Varg or ther JG guy on a site I own but I'm not the owner so)

Absolutely.  Dont need legal trouble.  Being a start up is difficult enough as it is.

As for categories:

OSR must have an actual meaning, I vote it should be reserved for games that are compatible with old D&D.

Great suggestion.

A different category for retroclones of other systems.
Maybe a broader one called Old School, then inside it OSR, OSG (this one with system divisions{d6, 2d6, 3d6, d%, etc})

Sounds good.

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If it's not I could still help from time to time.
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« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2022, 02:34:46 PM »
One concern I'll raise:

As we've seen over the years, there's always some disagreements over what content belongs on a site. This can change over time too, as websites may change hands, or staff can become polarized in unpredictable ways. Who would have predicted, a less than five years ago, that child genital mutilation & sterilization would be major "controversial" issues?

It would be nice if the site were to use a permissionless protocol for content storage. e.g. LBRY. The benefit of using this is that if someone were to purchase a product from the site, it would always be available to them (downloadable, obviously you can always download a file and store locally) even if the site later decided to stop selling that product.

IMO this is a nice selling point and gives me confidence the site won't try to pull the rug out from under me.

That's what I am trying to figure out.   I am thinking Child abuse and things that are even too much for people like us.  It has to be really horrible to be considered removable.  I am trying to work that out, but something like what Veger put out would not be considered worthy of removing (I haven't read them but from what I have heard, they aren't) and something like that would be given an explicit label so people know that if that kind of things bothers them, then they should avoid it.

And if it has an explicit label and people complain, then we know to take it with a grain of salt. 

The policy I am going to go with is an item up for review stays up, until it is deemed a violation of the rules.  That way the reporting system cannot be abused and used as a weapon.

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« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2022, 02:36:01 PM »

TheRPGBookshop.com
TheRpgLibrary.com
TabletopLibrary.com
RPG-Direct.com

I like TheRPGBookshop.com and RPG-Direct.com.   The Bookshop one may be my favorite.    Not sure about library because that sounds like it lends out books that have to be returned.

Thank you for the suggestions.