Quote from: RPGPundit on February 19, 2024, 12:41:40 AM
At the very least, for Christ's sake, contain your sperg instincts for just the tiniest bit, and wait until the product comes out or a full table of contents is provided or a sneak preview, so you can see how much they actually hate you and everything you love.  And then DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. Stop giving money to people who want you to cease to exist.

IF you buy it, it's best to wait around to pick up a used copy off the web to limit cash flow to WotC.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 19, 2024, 12:41:40 AM
At the very least, for Christ's sake, contain your sperg instincts for just the tiniest bit, and wait until the product comes out or a full table of contents is provided or a sneak preview, so you can see how much they actually hate you and everything you love.  And then DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. Stop giving money to people who want you to cease to exist.

Anyone who says OD&D is not D&D anymore can fuck off and die in a fire. I wouldn't buy this crap even if was marked down by 90%. I have REAL D&D products that I will continue to enjoy until I croak. I don't need a history lesson that is smeared with shit.

Quote from: Valatar on February 19, 2024, 03:35:10 AM
The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

LOL wut

Inclusivity failures of D&D? Too much Moorcock and not enough Howard or something? What the fuck does this even mean?

Quote from: Brad on February 19, 2024, 07:58:40 PM

Quote from: Valatar on February 19, 2024, 03:35:10 AM
The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

LOL wut

Inclusivity failures of D&D? Too much Moorcock and not enough Howard or something? What the fuck does this even mean?

Not enough African lesbian trans women.

Quote from: Brad on February 19, 2024, 07:58:40 PM

Quote from: Valatar on February 19, 2024, 03:35:10 AM
The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

LOL wut

Inclusivity failures of D&D? Too much Moorcock and not enough Howard or something? What the fuck does this even mean?

  Not enough gay prom...because it sure seems the current crop of "creators" is absolutely obsessed with that.

Quote from: Brad on February 19, 2024, 07:58:40 PM

Quote from: Valatar on February 19, 2024, 03:35:10 AM
The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

LOL wut

Inclusivity failures of D&D? Too much Moorcock and not enough Howard or something? What the fuck does this even mean?

One example they gave was that in OD&D the fighter was called a "fighting MAN".

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 22, 2024, 06:04:00 AM
One example they gave was that in OD&D the fighter was called a "fighting MAN".

Oh I know what they're trying to do...it's the same bullshit with movies now. Introduce BLACK Spider-Man because black kids can't possibly identify with anyone who doesn't look like them, but when I was growing up every other kid in the fucking world had a Spider-Man mask on Halloween. Fighting Man makes sense because it's SUPPOSED TO BE CONAN. Or Kull, or whomever. This is just horseshit Marxist rhetoric trying to rewrite history and imply that because it's fighting MAN, women and minorities especially were not allowed to play D&D. That's all it is. Change the past to look like whatever you're doing now is vastly better because it's morally superior.

I'm really starting to wonder if any of these people have ever actually played an RPG in their lives.

Quote from: Brad on February 22, 2024, 09:27:10 AM

I'm really starting to wonder if any of these people have ever actually played an RPG in their lives.

Yes and No.  They are an NPC in their own life.  But that isn't really playing.  So depends on how you want to call it. 

Wait... we can sell our loveletters of the people we abuse... to strangers... for profit???

Brilliant marketing idea.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 17, 2024, 10:46:03 AMNot only are they making a big deal out of Gygax and Arneson, they're putting out a whole upscale 600 page book about it.

Includes:
The original commentary in the Euro fanzine from Gary explaining the rules
Chainmail, 2nd printing
Outdoor Survival
A 100 page first draft of the rules, along with notes from Gary and Dave
Brown Box D&D with Hobbits, Entw, & Balrogs
Greyhawk
Blackmoor
Eldritch Wizardry
Correspondence between Gary and Dave
A lot more

There was a time I would have paid hundreds of dollars for a book containing that stuff. Now I see no value in it.

Quote from: tenbones on February 22, 2024, 01:26:13 PM
Wait... we can sell our loveletters of the people we abuse... to strangers... for profit???

Brilliant marketing idea.

This has been going on since the 90s.

Quote from: BadApple on February 20, 2024, 09:54:49 AM

Quote from: Brad on February 19, 2024, 07:58:40 PM

Quote from: Valatar on February 19, 2024, 03:35:10 AM
The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

LOL wut

Inclusivity failures of D&D? Too much Moorcock and not enough Howard or something? What the fuck does this even mean?

Not enough African lesbian trans women.

FFG has you covered there with their new Arkham Horror.

I kid you not one of the characters is a black lesbian who is married to another woman and "has a taste for young girls" In the 1920s.
Another character in an expansion joined a cult because "His parents misgendered him."...

Quote from: Omega on February 24, 2024, 02:41:35 AM
I kid you not one of the characters is a black lesbian who is married to another woman and "has a taste for young girls" In the 1920s.
Another character in an expansion joined a cult because "His parents misgendered him."...

1920s...America? The first character would probably be sent to prison at best, hung at the worst. The second character ACTUALLY makes some sense if the cult is some weird devil worshipers, but I bet a billion dollars whoever came up with it doesn't see the irony whatsoever.

Quote from: Brad on February 24, 2024, 08:53:44 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 24, 2024, 02:41:35 AM
I kid you not one of the characters is a black lesbian who is married to another woman and "has a taste for young girls" In the 1920s.
Another character in an expansion joined a cult because "His parents misgendered him."...

1920s...America? The first character would probably be sent to prison at best, hung at the worst.

I don't know the module. Most modules have a lot of bad history in them. However, in the 1920s, while there was no legal recognition of same-sex marriage, there were lots of homosexual people who were often in relationships - and they did have Bohemian ceremonies for them. The Roaring Twenties were a time of notoriously loose social standards in many circles - with a lot of obviously LGBT performers.  Cross-dressing shows were popular mainstream entertainment, with stars like Julian Eltinge pulling in big audiences. It was only later in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, that this became increasingly cracked down on.

Gladys Bentley might be a good model for the character:



She was a famous cross-dressing star in the 1920s. She claimed that she married a white woman in New Jersey, but the woman's identity was never released. (ref) Later, during the 1930s, her cross-dressing act lost popularity, and in the 1940s she declared herself cured of her condition by taking female hormones.

"Here's someone that was given some slack because she was a novelty crossdressing act, and most people thought it was part of the bit. Thus filling period settings with outspoken Lesbians is fine."