Quote from: RPGPundit on February 18, 2024, 04:12:53 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 17, 2024, 11:46:46 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 17, 2024, 10:49:17 PM
Did you actually watch this video? Done six days after the video I was talking about, they finally get around to mentioning Arneson and Gygax. In the video, they essentially say that Gygax and Arneson were evil and what they made was evil.

Is that somehow better?
So how can you be sure the book they're producing won't start with a lengthy essay talking about the same thing, CONDEMNING Gygax, Arneson and the entire Old School and all regular D&D gamers, which is what that video did.

Yes, I watched the video. No, they never say or imply anything like Gygax and Arenson were evil and what they made was evil. Even you can't spin that fib with a straight face.

Gygax and Arneson were, according to the video "white dudes from Lake Geneva and the Twin Cities", and D&D was "a lot of material that wouldn't pass our inclusivity reviews today".  In degenerate woke-speak, that's saying they were evil.

LOL did YOU watch the video? It's hilarious that's what you took from that utter love letter to them.

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM
I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

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   It's in the longer promo video for the "Making Of D&D" book, at the 35-minute mark.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 14, 2024, 10:32:33 PM
You won't be able to guess who the official D&D Youtube channel decided to say "thank you" to for D&D. Though you probably will be able to guess which names they completely erased from the official history...
#dnd #ttrpg #osr #onednd #wotc

Well, if the community created D&D and made it what it is today; I guess I should give myself a pat on the back, and raise my cup to the rest of the community!!!

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 18, 2024, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM
I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

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   It's in the longer promo video for the "Making Of D&D" book, at the 35-minute mark.

So in a commercial for a book they want to sell you where they just can't avoid it?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2024, 06:56:10 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 18, 2024, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM
I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

'


   It's in the longer promo video for the "Making Of D&D" book, at the 35-minute mark.

So in a commercial for a book they want to sell you where they just can't avoid it?

I sat through it and did anyone else notice that they brag alot about how they OWN this or that game. They OWN OD&D and they Own Outdoor Survival? Not "Oh yeah we ended up with the rights to that along the way."

And then you get to their bragging on the "Inclusivity" censors and how OD&D would never pass. Because "they were all men and all white" Which is a flat out lie. There were girls playing from pretty much the get go.

Bunch of lying fucks.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 18, 2024, 10:01:26 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 18, 2024, 04:12:53 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 17, 2024, 11:46:46 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 17, 2024, 10:49:17 PM
Did you actually watch this video? Done six days after the video I was talking about, they finally get around to mentioning Arneson and Gygax. In the video, they essentially say that Gygax and Arneson were evil and what they made was evil.

Is that somehow better?
So how can you be sure the book they're producing won't start with a lengthy essay talking about the same thing, CONDEMNING Gygax, Arneson and the entire Old School and all regular D&D gamers, which is what that video did.

Yes, I watched the video. No, they never say or imply anything like Gygax and Arenson were evil and what they made was evil. Even you can't spin that fib with a straight face.

Gygax and Arneson were, according to the video "white dudes from Lake Geneva and the Twin Cities", and D&D was "a lot of material that wouldn't pass our inclusivity reviews today".  In degenerate woke-speak, that's saying they were evil.

LOL did YOU watch the video? It's hilarious that's what you took from that utter love letter to them.

Form the "love letter to Arneson and Gygax":

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> "And this is a historical document so there are things... it was a different time. So we've had an inclusivity review of all these materials."

>> "Multiple, so let's, let's take a step back here. Let's clarify, there are materials in Original Dungeons & Dragons that would never pass"

> "Yeah"

>> "our inclusivity reviews today... Uh... And a lot of it is you can, some of it you can understand, like, okay, these are a bunch of wargamers, and they're using armies from history, and so when they create a warrior class for D&D they call it the Fighting Man, right?
Because that's what they were used to and they were all men, they were all white dudes from Lake Geneva and the Twin Cities but that's just the tip of the iceberg right? Like there's a lot of material in this book and I won't go over all of it, but it would not pass our inclusivity reviews..."

Seems to me Pundit is 1000% correct.

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 07:18:02 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2024, 06:56:10 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 18, 2024, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM
I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

'


   It's in the longer promo video for the "Making Of D&D" book, at the 35-minute mark.

So in a commercial for a book they want to sell you where they just can't avoid it?

I sat through it and did anyone else notice that they brag alot about how they OWN this or that game. They OWN OD&D and they Own Outdoor Survival? Not "Oh yeah we ended up with the rights to that along the way."

And then you get to their bragging on the "Inclusivity" censors and how OD&D would never pass. Because "they were all men and all white" Which is a flat out lie. There were girls playing from pretty much the get go.

Bunch of lying fucks.

To be expected from the Woketards.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 18, 2024, 10:01:26 AM

LOL did YOU watch the video? It's hilarious that's what you took from that utter love letter to them.

Its a "love letter" wotc takes the time to piss all over. Apparently you did not watch all the way through to the 35min point where they just have to go on about inclusiviity and how "Fighting Man" is somehow bad because the players were "all men and all white" and how OD&D would never pass inclicivity?

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 07:33:34 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 18, 2024, 10:01:26 AM

LOL did YOU watch the video? It's hilarious that's what you took from that utter love letter to them.

Its a "love letter" wotc takes the time to piss all over. Apparently you did not watch all the way through to the 35min point where they just have to go on about inclusiviity and how "Fighting Man" is somehow bad because the players were "all men and all white" and how OD&D would never pass inclicivity?

He's not being paid to watch a video.  He might not be being paid to shill for WotC, either, since he strikes me as the sort who would shill for them for free....

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 18, 2024, 04:12:53 AM
Gygax and Arneson were, according to the video "white dudes from Lake Geneva and the Twin Cities", and D&D was "a lot of material that wouldn't pass our inclusivity reviews today".  In degenerate woke-speak, that's saying they were evil.

I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

I see alot of "Thank you players" interspersed with alot of "Thank you community"

Sorry, my quote wasn't referring to the "thank you D&D" video, but to the "how D&D got started" video.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 18, 2024, 06:56:10 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 18, 2024, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Omega on February 18, 2024, 05:40:01 AM
I went through the video and did not see this stated? Did it get edited out?

'


   It's in the longer promo video for the "Making Of D&D" book, at the 35-minute mark.

So in a commercial for a book they want to sell you where they just can't avoid it?

Yes, it's a book they made, of the original edition of D&D, meant to be a total love letter to old D&D, but they just CAN NOT RESIST shitting all over it for their ideological purity.

The video ends with saying "That (Gygax/Arneson) is not D&D anymore." They're literally claiming it was too evil to exist today, and that they are superior people who made a superior game (hint: none of these people made ANYTHING; Mike Mearls and I made the edition they're being paid to mutilate today), and they have a better audience because they have less white males (hint: not nearly as few as they try to pretend, which is why their garbage "diversity" books are selling worse and worse).

Also, a WARNING to any of the autistics in the crowd who are overdosing on the memberberries and having every instinct to be a mindless-drone Collector and pay $100 to Hasbro, a corporation controlled by people who literally want you to be kicked out of the hobby (and maybe just exterminated in general), take note that Tondro used some careful phrasing at the end of that video, it seems to suggest to me that the book, while they did not actually go and edit out the parts they hate (which would be all of the OD&D stuff, pretty much), will very likely contain a section telling you how horrible and evil the text was, and Gygax and Arneson were, and how awful and despicable YOU are if you actually like any of this stuff instead of wanting to give up your place at the table for a disabled black lesbian trans indigenous neurodivergent midget, which is what they want their new "community" to be. Not a filthy horrible evil gamer like you, who probably actually LIKES D&D (instead of despising it and wanting to change it into a mockery).

So seriously, at the very least, do yourself the favor of not preordering. It would be WAY better, if you want to celebrate the history of D&D, if you went and picked up the Tonisborg book, which is also an amazing historical resource, and contains one of the earliest megadungeons AND a complete system reflecting how the game was played at Arneson's table at the time. Or pick up a bunch of OSR stuff, and celebrate the hobby's future, because I guarantee you that the nonsense and garbage that WotC is putting out is not the future, nor is their changing D&D into subscription-fee phone game the future.

At the very least, for Christ's sake, contain your sperg instincts for just the tiniest bit, and wait until the product comes out or a full table of contents is provided or a sneak preview, so you can see how much they actually hate you and everything you love.  And then DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. Stop giving money to people who want you to cease to exist. 

Quote from: Mistwell on February 17, 2024, 11:46:46 PM
Yes, I watched the video. No, they never say or imply anything like Gygax and Arenson were evil and what they made was evil. Even you can't spin that fib with a straight face.

The timestamp is around 36:06 in which they say they will "acknowledge" the inclusivity failures of original D&D and add "that's not D&D anymore".  So yes, you can expect a posthumous smear session somewhere in that book, which suffices to make me not get the book.  Not that I was inclined to pay WotC to begin with.

It is really small of WOTC, to offer something to the community that the community is likely interested in; and then shit on the precious, before it comes out.  They hate themselves, for celebrating OD&D's history.

There are multiple OSR takes on OD&D, that don't give WOTC any income.  It's a unique flavor of D&D, but you don't need anything from WOTC to play it.

What is actually minty fresh new in this book? Seems to be the Supp II Blackmoor with EGG's snarky comments in the margins and the letters between DA and EGG. Given the likely flame war between Team Dave and Team Gary that will come from the publication of these, it seems that we will all know the contents soon enough and can save $100 on stuff that is easily obtainable elsewhere if you don't already have it.