Quote from: The Butcher;733488Poor fucking bastard. He should really, really hand this over to someone else, and go take care of his health. Best wishes to him.

It must be a tremendously difficult situation for everyone involved. On the one hand, between dealing with all this and trying to keep up his GPA and going to college at the age of 33, this must all be hitting him like an absolute hammer and he clearly needs to ease back on something. On the other hand, he's making noises as though working on Exalted is the thing which keeps him together and pulling through. On the third hand, he's giving all the signs of someone who's not actually keeping it together and pulling through at all. Impossible to even guess what I'd do if I were his employer in such a situation.

Quote from: Warthur;733499It must be a tremendously difficult situation for everyone involved. On the one hand, between dealing with all this and trying to keep up his GPA and going to college at the age of 33, this must all be hitting him like an absolute hammer and he clearly needs to ease back on something. On the other hand, he's making noises as though working on Exalted is the thing which keeps him together and pulling through. On the third hand, he's giving all the signs of someone who's not actually keeping it together and pulling through at all. Impossible to even guess what I'd do if I were his employer in such a situation.

Designing games can be a great hobby, but when you take people's money and promise something in return, it becomes a job. Might be a part-time job, but a job nevertheless.

He sounds really, really sick. Ideally, he should take sick leave from his job(s) and from his studies (seriously, fuck your GPA. No academic curriculum looks good on a corpse) and, like everyone who donated advised him, go get himself treated.

Trust me, I work in healthcare, with super sick people, and I see this shit all the time.

I hadn't known how serious his health issues were until this thread; if working on it helps him deal with the issue, great, but I definitely think he should step back and let someone else take over as project lead for a while. He sounds like he needs medical help, and now.

Quote from: Ladybird;733504I hadn't known how serious his health issues were until this thread; if working on it helps him deal with the issue, great, but I definitely think he should step back and let someone else take over as project lead for a while. He sounds like he needs medical help, and now.

He's been this way for months now and sought medical help throughout the last half of 2013. I think he sees himself beyond that as it didn't get him anywhere. It's very sad and I hope he reconsiders.

Holden has been driving Exalted 3e forward with the rest of the team, but it might explain why Onyx Path are kind of reluctant to do more than just post progress. I can see the situation adding a great deal of uncertainty into the mix.

I may dislike exalted and so forth, but I wouldn't wish cancer on my worst enemies, much less some random dude who designs a game I don't like.  So I really hope he pulls thru.  He got dealt a shitty hand.

Quote from: Skywalker;733466Latest news from John Morke, Ex3's lead developer, on his illness: http://www.gofundme.com/55z5l8

That's sounds terrible I wish him the best of luck.

That is horrible. I really do hope he gets treatment and his health improves.

Quote from: Ladybird;733429And then they mention something that can easily be misread, or doesn't make sense without another piece of information that hasn't been revealed yet, then they end up firefighting and having to explain themselves to an audience that doesn't really want to listen... Look at the recent d&d5 dev diaries for example. Then add in the "you made #number on kickstarter, why isn't my game here yet" crowd... No, role players have worked damn hard for their reputation as a toxic cesspool of entitlement issues.

But in regard to their other comments, yeah, they are developing another game. Exalted requires mechanical rigour, but frankly every developer should understand how the numbers of their game work, and be happy that they produce the results the designer wanted. If they're not happy with that... well, if you get a job on a farm, don't come to me complaining that your wellies are covered in shit.

Working through avenues like Kickstarter requires a certain set of skills and there are expectations to it. If your not willing to deal with the expectations namely keeping your backers adequately informed then maybe you shouldn't use that medium.

I'm sympathetic to there issues. I really am. I know that they are in a very difficult position. If they aren't careful in their information release things could go wrong and lead to issues. But at the same time they have gone the other way by not releasing much information (very little if anything useful) they end up creating a whole different set of issues.

Quote from: J Arcane;733456http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/23/the-ignorance-of-crowds-why-open-development-is-crap/

I'm not asking to have feedback into the games development. All I'm asking for is to be informed as to what is going on. Whats the timeline? What is done and what isn't? It would be really nice if I knew how things actually worked in the game. But I understand the issues with that.

Quote from: NathanIW;733493I just googled for it and found huge threads on tbp and reddit and livejournal and other places about this.

What a train wreck.

Yeah, it was a train wreck.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;733517I may dislike exalted and so forth, but I wouldn't wish cancer on my worst enemies, much less some random dude who designs a game I don't like.  So I really hope he pulls thru.  He got dealt a shitty hand.

Hopefully it isn't cancer. It sometimes takes a while for the severity of an illness or condition like this to sink. Looking at the update posts in that link, I suspect he was far more optimistic a couple of months ago and now things are seeming a lot more serious. Sounds like it is really taking a toll on him.

Quote from: One Horse Town;732911I've always wondered why Exalted is relatively popular.

I loved the concept of being a weird mix of anime hero and Greek demigod, along with a great setting. Sadly, the rules were a huge letdown.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;733395I lost interest in Exalted 3e when the rape culture drama happened and Holden groveled for forgiveness from his SJW sect.  I'm not interested in playing a game that has a political agenda in mind.

You know I always fail to see what good comes of this.  Most of these social justice warriors don't even do any thing in real life much less go out and buy games.  Those that do are just a tiny fraction at best.  It is not worth making social justice warriors happy because it is not good for your pay check and frankly they are never happy.  They rather spend more time in finding something to get piss off about and post it in their tumblr, or tweets.

As for the guy that is sick.  I hope he gets better and he should drop Exalted.  No RPG book is worth your health and you should focus on being healthy above all else.  Seriously if not for the people that pay into the kickstarter than at the very least do it for yourself.

Quote from: Snowman0147;733535You know I always fail to see what good comes of this.  Most of these social justice warriors don't even do any thing in real life much less go out and buy games.  Those that do are just a tiny fraction at best.  It is not worth making social justice warriors happy because it is not good for your pay check and frankly they are never happy.  They rather spend more time in finding something to get piss off about and post it in their tumblr, or tweets.

Also, those succubus charms were awesomely creepy.  Sanitizing them to appease people who don't really play much anyway was such a bad idea.  Especially given that the entire uproar was based on a misinterpretation of the text and even after the designer explained what he meant, anyone pointing that out was shut out of the discussion and those offended just kept building upon the initial mistake they made as if it was the designer's fault.

QuoteAs for the guy that is sick.  I hope he gets better and he should drop Exalted.  No RPG book is worth your health and you should focus on being healthy above all else.  Seriously if not for the people that pay into the kickstarter than at the very least do it for yourself.

Maybe he can't afford to.  Maybe he needs (or has already spent) the pay related to the project.  I wish him well, but things could get very stuck for this project as a result.

Quote from: NathanIW;733554Also, those succubus charms were awesomely creepy.  Sanitizing them to appease people who don't really play much anyway was such a bad idea.  Especially given that the entire uproar was based on a misinterpretation of the text and even after the designer explained what he meant, anyone pointing that out was shut out of the discussion and those offended just kept building upon the initial mistake they made as if it was the designer's fault.

You have to love the fact that the noise machine was up in arms about a term with two definitions, and wouldn't stop screaming about how the worse one was the one that was being used.  Talk about a crowd so far up it's ass it's verging on becoming a singularity.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;733556You have to love the fact that the noise machine was up in arms about a term with two definitions, and wouldn't stop screaming about how the worse one was the one that was being used.  Talk about a crowd so far up it's ass it's verging on becoming a singularity.

Which begs the question in why do developers even bother to support these people?  They are gonna hate you and not buy your product despite all your efforts to "fix" things for them.  Social justice warriors don't give a single shred of care about solutions and fixing problems.  All they care about is making you feel and look like shit as they ride their high horses to the next developer to victimize.  They are a new type of internet troll.

Quote from: Snowman0147;733557Which begs the question in why do developers even bother to support these people?

You could make an argument that a good swath of Onyx Path are these kind of people at heart.  They must have been totally shocked to be on the receiving end of this.  I also bet they learned something that even when they explained what they really meant by the text, that the detractors still didn't stopped and even put forward the idea that their interpretation of the text was more correct than the person who wrote it telling them what he meant.

I never, ever would have guessed that it would have been white wolf related stuff that would have garnered the hate of this particular crowd.

Quote from: NathanIW;733560You could make an argument that a good swath of Onyx Path are these kind of people at heart.  They must have been totally shocked to be on the receiving end of this.  I also bet they learned something that even when they explained what they really meant by the text, that the detractors still didn't stopped and even put forward the idea that their interpretation of the text was more correct than the person who wrote it telling them what he meant.

I never, ever would have guessed that it would have been white wolf related stuff that would have garnered the hate of this particular crowd.

Seeing how Holden is the part of the problem that allowed this SJW Lynching Developers culture to develop, I'd say he well deserves a "Live by the sword...". Sadly, I'll admit that they also played me like a fiddle, though only for a buck, as I did throw one down Exalted's way in the middle of SJW flame war.

Now I am curious as what Onyx Path had done after that flame war.  Did they learn their lesson and actually focus their products on people who would buy it, or still going with what the SJW crowd tells them to do like good little puppets?

Mind you I don't have the company.  Hell I spent a good nine years buying world of darkness books.  It just even I have to point out the flaws of that company and the freelancers that work for them.