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Author Topic: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds  (Read 1976 times)

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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2020, 07:48:58 am »
I assume Gurps has this covered from multiple angles.
Indeed.  One can pretty much take any Disadvantage that's mirrored in nature, all the way to being blind, a quadriplegic and terminally ill.  One factor is that any one of these disads carries a high enough negative cost to being pretty much the only disad one can have in many campaigns.  Another is that GURPS has a basic principle: a disadvantage that doesn't disadvantage you is not worth points.  Sure, Daredevil's senses have their drawbacks, but his "vision" isn't disrupted by a 250,000 candlepower light going off in his face.  A paraplegic in an otherwise-reliable float chair (or fantasy equivalent) might be subject to having the gizmo disrupted, but hit me with a low cross-block and I'm not moving any faster. 
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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2020, 10:17:35 am »
The sad part is not only would Omega be accused of being Abelist by the rpg SJW crowd they would call for doxxing him and losing his job.


A few years ago I accidentally dropped boiling water on my upper left leg. A little more to the right and lets just say second degree burn on the upper leg is not fun. Getting it on the balls would have been worse. All I could do was walk on crutches and stay off my leg. Even then because the muscles needed to regenerate I did not do much movement UI fell on my face at one point. A week after being told to slowly incorporate I decide to try and play a game of Soccer I start to run and my leg gives out. I needed more time. Unlike Omega I was not in as much pain yet if I was part of an actual adventuring group in D&D. No adventuring happening no matter what the SJW gamers say.   

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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2020, 02:57:18 pm »
The sad part is not only would Omega be accused of being Abelist by the rpg SJW crowd they would call for doxxing him and losing his job.
Got a question, for what it's worth.  Of course, Everyone Knows that the RPG SJWs are everywhere, lurking in the corner of every gaming store and club with burning eyes, ready to point the finger at you and scream "SINNER!!!"

But let's bring a dose of reality into this.  How many of you have actually ever had this happen, outside of (hell, even within) Internet forums?  Anyone actually had one of your fellow players dox you and cause you to lose your job over something like this?

No, I didn't think so.
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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2020, 03:33:13 pm »
The sad part is not only would Omega be accused of being Abelist by the rpg SJW crowd they would call for doxxing him and losing his job.
Got a question, for what it's worth.  Of course, Everyone Knows that the RPG SJWs are everywhere, lurking in the corner of every gaming store and club with burning eyes, ready to point the finger at you and scream "SINNER!!!"

But let's bring a dose of reality into this.  How many of you have actually ever had this happen, outside of (hell, even within) Internet forums?  Anyone actually had one of your fellow players dox you and cause you to lose your job over something like this?

No, I didn't think so.
That's adorable. Just because it hasn't happened to any of US means it's not really an issue.


Is that what you're saying?


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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2020, 04:35:50 pm »
That's adorable. Just because it hasn't happened to any of US means it's not really an issue.
Is that what you're saying?

Your reply is adorable.  Is that what I'm saying?  Mmhmm, it sure is.  If you can come up with so much as one attested and verifiable case of that happening, that's still about a drop in a bucket in the millions of RPGers out there.  Not really an issue.

I don't believe you can come up with one.  With Gamergate as the example that proves the rule, the serious lynch mobs -- as opposed to grumblers just whinging on the interwebs -- are almost always the reactionaries.
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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2020, 04:50:31 pm »

Greetings!


Hmmm...well, "Cancel Culture" has affected many people in many industries beyond gaming--see the Boeing executive for one real-world example, as well as the editor chick from the New York Times that resigned from her being hounded, harassed, and besmirched because she didn't swallow the SJW Koolaid enough.


Within our hobby, specifically, yeah. Alexander Macris, RPG Pundit, Zak Smith, James Raggi, Venger Satanis, hell, even Mike Mearls--have all been targeted for destruction and social death by the SJW mobs for various alleged sins. The fact that most of these men have *avoided* being thoroughly destroyed and having their reputations and careers ruined isn't for lack of effort or desire on the part of the SJW mobs, who have viciously and loudly worked for just such an outcome.


So, yeah, being doxed, targeted for harassment, public shaming and otherwise socially and professionally destroyed is a very real danger, even within the hobby of roleplaying games.


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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2020, 06:58:27 pm »
The sad part is not only would Omega be accused of being Abelist by the rpg SJW crowd they would call for doxxing him and losing his job.
Got a question, for what it's worth.  Of course, Everyone Knows that the RPG SJWs are everywhere, lurking in the corner of every gaming store and club with burning eyes, ready to point the finger at you and scream "SINNER!!!"

But let's bring a dose of reality into this.  How many of you have actually ever had this happen, outside of (hell, even within) Internet forums?  Anyone actually had one of your fellow players dox you and cause you to lose your job over something like this?

No, I didn't think so.
not in the gaming circles. But in the art circles seen it done a several times now. And its been done in board gaming now at least once. Probably more.

These sociopaths hide online and attack mostly from online. So far, far as i know, the instances of this cult going after people at cons or stores has been few and far between. to my knowledge so far no instances of the disabled getting in on the act. So far.

that sort of stupid seems, so far, to be limited to going after movies and TV shows and is not a new thing at all.

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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2020, 07:01:49 pm »

So, yeah, being doxed, targeted for harassment, public shaming and otherwise socially and professionally destroyed is a very real danger, even within the hobby of roleplaying games.
think raven meant instances in the disabled circles.
See my comment above on that matter.

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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2020, 07:24:15 pm »


So, yeah, being doxed, targeted for harassment, public shaming and otherwise socially and professionally destroyed is a very real danger, even within the hobby of roleplaying games.
think raven meant instances in the disabled circles.
See my comment above on that matter.


Greetings!


Hi there, Omega! Ok, my apologies then for any misunderstanding on my part. I admit, as you also explain, there hasn't been any specifically disabled person in gaming targeted, but I certainly wouldn't put it past the SJW nut mobs to do, if any disabled person was to say anything they contrived as "hate speech" or whatever. We've seen them target virtually anyone that doesn't embrace the SJW dogma, often on the most outlandish of interpretations or mental gymnastics based upon what someone has said or written. You know how deeply irrational and nutty these kinds of people are nowadays! ;D


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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2020, 09:45:34 pm »
Your reply is adorable.  Is that what I'm saying?  Mmhmm, it sure is.  If you can come up with so much as one attested and verifiable case of that happening, that's still about a drop in a bucket in the millions of RPGers out there.  Not really an issue.

I don't believe you can come up with one.  With Gamergate as the example that proves the rule, the serious lynch mobs -- as opposed to grumblers just whinging on the interwebs -- are almost always the reactionaries.

Richard Meyer would like to talk to you (granted, that's comics, not gaming).


Shall we discuss Zak Sabbath? I don't know if he's still knocking around here, but considering he wrung a court-ordered apology out of one of his detractors, I'd call that 'verifiable'.

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Re: Disabilities and Fantasy or SF Workarounds
« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2020, 10:13:03 am »

Got a question, for what it's worth.  Of course, Everyone Knows that the RPG SJWs are everywhere, lurking in the corner of every gaming store and club with burning eyes, ready to point the finger at you and scream "SINNER!!!"

But let's bring a dose of reality into this.  How many of you have actually ever had this happen, outside of (hell, even within) Internet forums?  Anyone actually had one of your fellow players dox you and cause you to lose your job over something like this?

No, I didn't think so.


Rosanne Barr is another example where she said something truly stupid and cancel culture ruined her career. Where James Gunn posted some really fucked pedophilic tweets. Unlike Barr being a Leftist and they welcomed him back with open arms. I did not happen to me no yet because it has not happened to me does not mean it never happened to anyone else.