Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1142778Took a look at that Mörk Borg game. Kinda interesting, but very rules-light and very "arty" in its presentation (even the website was a pain to navigate because of that). I'm a bit surprised its being called an OSR game. (I think my conception of "OSR" is a lot narrower than what the term has come to include.)

It's not an OSR game by any stretch of the imagination, it's just another SwordCream entryist trying to co-opt the term.

Quote from: sureshot;1142754Yes you kind of were imo.

Your posting history is filled with being disingenuous and purposefully stupid when it suits you and the narrative. Given how Woke you are your now trying to pretend,bullshit and more importantly con the forum into thinking you made a mistake. Somehow you "missed" the most woke product on the list which is the safety toolkit, while knowing damn well what is was. Why else would a product have such a title today if it was not an SJW or Woke product.

So either you did not read the initial list and don't want to admit to it or as per your usual modus operandi trying to pull a fast and claim ignorance. Nice try yet imo none of falling for it. It was easier for you to accuse us of being ignorant and causing a fuss and pushing your narrative. Rather than checking the facts first because again it goes against the narrative. So save the "I'm the victim here your all mean to me!"

Dude, the personal attacks are bullshit. You don't agree with my ideology? Cool. No reason to bash me personally. I am not and was not being disingenuous. You posted TWO items and I assumed you meant to post two and were not just referring to one. I did not in fact recall what that safety toolkit was before (I know you think that name is self-explanatory but it is not). Your assumption I did is just your own bubble in operation - it was on your mind, and people you know tall about it, so you just assumed everyone must know about it or remember it. In this thread, it's not the product which was highlighted earlier as being "woke". We had an entire discussion about that topic earlier, and it was a different product being highlighted, remember? If you felt so strongly about this product, why didn't you speak up then when we had the conversation earlier?

Bottom line, why don't you try focusing on positions rather than people? Stop assuming you know what I know and remember and do not know and remember. Stop assuming I have bad motives when I don't. Fuck, stop assuming I am a leftie when I am not.

Quote from: Slambo;1142755So you didnt even read it all the way?

Read what all the way? In the thread earlier the focus was on that teen girl game as being the "woke" example on this list. Do you guys just not remember?

Quote from: Mistwell;1142781Read what all the way? In the thread earlier the focus was on that teen girl game as being the "woke" example on this list. Do you guys just not remember?

The thing you responded to. That you specifically included in your quote. 3 short lines. 16 words. Earlier in the thread is irrelevant(and yes, we all remember the "teen girl game" had been mentioned; it's just not relevant to this). Heck, you're the one responsible for those 3 lines even being in this thread in the first place - they originated in one of your posts! - so I have difficulty believing you didn't read them, you know, as you were typing them in.

Nobody starts talking about the silver medal holder - much less assuming the other people's comments are about them - when people are discussing the winner. That's just weird and you know it.

So much for diversity, what a load of hypocrisy. The road to hell was paved with good intentions.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1142789The thing you responded to. That you specifically included in your quote. 3 short lines. 16 words. Earlier in the thread is irrelevant(and yes, we all remember the "teen girl game" had been mentioned; it's just not relevant to this). Heck, you're the one responsible for those 3 lines even being in this thread in the first place - they originated in one of your posts! - so I have difficulty believing you didn't read them, you know, as you were typing them in.

Nobody starts talking about the silver medal holder - much less assuming the other people's comments are about them - when people are discussing the winner. That's just weird and you know it.

I started at the top, which was the silver one. I then didn't look up initially the second one, BUT I ASKED ABOUT IT. You guys apparently saw it as a glowing red source of evil, when all I saw were two game names which meant nothing to me so I just picked the first one and typed it into google.

I should have thought about the name more of the gold winner. I think my initial reaction was it was just another one of those "How to keep your PC alive" type guide books. But now that I read about it I think I had heard about that book earlier at some point (and rolled my eyes when I did).

But honest, I did not recall what it was when replying in this thread. It was just a meaningless name to me.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142780Dude, the personal attacks are bullshit. You don't agree with my ideology? Cool. No reason to bash me personally. I am not and was not being disingenuous. You posted TWO items and I assumed you meant to post two and were not just referring to one. I did not in fact recall what that safety toolkit was before (I know you think that name is self-explanatory but it is not). Your assumption I did is just your own bubble in operation - it was on your mind, and people you know tall about it, so you just assumed everyone must know about it or remember it. In this thread, it's not the product which was highlighted earlier as being "woke". We had an entire discussion about that topic earlier, and it was a different product being highlighted, remember? If you felt so strongly about this product, why didn't you speak up then when we had the conversation earlier?

Bottom line, why don't you try focusing on positions rather than people? Stop assuming you know what I know and remember and do not know and remember. Stop assuming I have bad motives when I don't. Fuck, stop assuming I am a leftie when I am not.

sureshot didn't post the two items, I did.  So are you not even paying attention to this conversation?  And you said you didn't see anything woke on the list.  So, one or two, there was woke on the list.  This is why people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.  You can't even get the basics right...

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142779It's not an OSR game by any stretch of the imagination, it's just another SwordCream entryist trying to co-opt the term.

I'm not familiar with the term "SwordCream." (I can't keep up with this stuff...)

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1142815I'm not familiar with the term "SwordCream." (I can't keep up with this stuff...)

SwordDream is some kind of super woke OSR producer mainly based on Twitter I think.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142780Dude, the personal attacks are bullshit. You don't agree with my ideology? Cool. No reason to bash me personally. I am not and was not being disingenuous. You posted TWO items and I assumed you meant to post two and were not just referring to one. I did not in fact recall what that safety toolkit was before (I know you think that name is self-explanatory but it is not). Your assumption I did is just your own bubble in operation - it was on your mind, and people you know tall about it, so you just assumed everyone must know about it or remember it. In this thread, it's not the product which was highlighted earlier as being "woke". We had an entire discussion about that topic earlier, and it was a different product being highlighted, remember? If you felt so strongly about this product, why didn't you speak up then when we had the conversation earlier?

It was not me who posted the two items.

Please get over yourself. You could not be bothered do the the homework let alone the basic research. Were caught red handed with your bullshit and now you insist on playing the victim yeah sure whatever. As for the name safety toolkit. Nice attempt at both an evasive dodge and moving the goalposts. With a name like that what else could it be. What your next excuse if a sign says Danger minefield ahead or bleach is poisonous it's not self-explanatory. Again you could not be bothered do even do the basic amount of research and game here to do the Internet equivalent of wagging fingers in people faces claiming we are and were overreacting. While continuing to push your usual narrative.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142780Bottom line, why don't you try focusing on positions rather than people? Stop assuming you know what I know and remember and do not know and remember. Stop assuming I have bad motives when I don't. Fuck, stop assuming I am a leftie when I am not.

Pot, kettle, black you disingenuous hypocrite. I see you do the exact same thing to everyone else all the time. Except this time instead of taking the time to do some critical thinking ( a trait most SJWs lack imo) you decided to be "GO GO SJW Rangers" and try to portray us as overreacting. While now claiming fake innocence and being naive. Have the stones to admit you overreacted  and make a mistake ( a trait most SJWs refuse to do). I know you won't and claim it was all misunderstanding and the "vicitim" of personal attacks and a smear campaign.

Quote from: Eirikrautha;1142810sureshot didn't post the two items, I did.  So are you not even paying attention to this conversation?  And you said you didn't see anything woke on the list.  So, one or two, there was woke on the list.  This is why people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.  You can't even get the basics right...

Don't you know if a sign says "Danger Live Minefield" it means something else. That is his defense and a weak one at that. Then trying to claim ignorance of the material.

It's our fault again for overreacting to us catching him in his disingenuous bullshit. He can't admit to making a mistake and we are to blame.

Quote from: Eirikrautha;1142810sureshot didn't post the two items, I did.  So are you not even paying attention to this conversation?  And you said you didn't see anything woke on the list.  So, one or two, there was woke on the list.  This is why people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.  You can't even get the basics right...

When there is a pile-on you stop caring who is saying what since it's all the same pile-on. I said, "I am not seeing any "woke" games that won anything. Are you?" I didn't say "There are no woke games on this list" I asked the question. I got an answer of

Quote from: Eirikrautha;1142690Best Free Game/Product
Silver – Tunnel Goons (Highland Paranormal Society)
Gold – TTRPG Safety Toolkit (Smooching Knife)

Yep, nothing woke on that list...

Which to me looked like you were naming both of these items. So, I started from the top and looked it up and it didn't look objectionable to me. And responded

Quote from: Mistwell;1142720I don't know anything about them, other than...they're free. And capitalists tend to like money from their work. But, what is it about them that's "woke"? My brief look at tunnel goons didn't strike me as "woke". Pretty simplistic game.

Again, I asked the question. And, again, the pile-on just assumed this was bad faith because I didn't look them both up rather than asking what people had an issue with? And then I was called a liar for not knowing one of them was a "woke" game by it's name alone and ASKING what the problem was rather than assuming?

Quote from: sureshot;1142818It was not me who posted the two items.

Please get over yourself. You could not be bothered do the the homework let alone the basic research. Were caught red handed with your bullshit and now you insist on playing the victim yeah sure whatever. As for the name safety toolkit. Nice attempt at both an evasive dodge and moving the goalposts. With a name like that what else could it be.

I honestly thought it was likely yet another "how to keep your PC alive when playing RPGs" type guidebook. There are several of those out there. That's what I assumed it was. But, I followed that assumption up with ASKING people what the issue was. Dodges try to avoid further conversation about it, but I was directly asking, making it clear it was not a dodge I just didn't know. And then when people said it was an issue I did look it up and immediately said yeah I see the issue with it - another non-dodge and non-excuse.

QuotePot, kettle, black you disingenuous hypocrite. I see you do the exact same thing to everyone else all the time. Except this time instead of taking the time to do some critical thinking ( a trait most SJWs lack imo) you decided to be "GO GO SJW Rangers" and try to portray us as overreacting. While now claiming fake innocence and being naive. Have the stones to admit you overreacted  and make a mistake ( a trait most SJWs refuse to do). I know you won't and claim it was all misunderstanding and the "vicitim" of personal attacks and a smear campaign.

This is hilarious. I am a lifelong Republican, in most settings I am bashed by the left for being too right for them. But here, I am a SJW because I don't drink the  "freak out about every little leftie thing" koolaid. And yes of course you are overreacting. Here we are having a debate about whether the ENNIES are now "so much garbage" as a whole because a few are objectionable. Yeah brother, that's overreacting. It's not like this is the Nebula awards where they actually ejected all the conservative authors and only nominated and awarded leftie authors. If they were doing that, your reactions would be wholly appropriate. Instead, this all sounds like so much whining and freaking out for attention whoring reasons.

Quote from: Mistwell;1142720I don't know anything about them, other than...they're free. And capitalists tend to like money from their work. But, what is it about them that's "woke"? My brief look at tunnel goons didn't strike me as "woke". Pretty simplistic game.

Posting because your disingenuous as usual.

GeekyBugle even posted a full list about the Ennies and you still want to claim ignorance let me guess though it's never ever your fault when you screw-up.

You came here assuming the worst. Stupidly and stubbornly refused to do your research before posting. Misquoted me and now your the fucking "victim".

It is bad faith because your deliberately going out of your way to pretend to be stupid about the nature of the product. It is called the TTRPG SAFETY TOOLKIT. Did you think it was a recipe book for making all kinds of croissants and donuts. We are calling you a lair because you assumed we were and are overreacting because you were too damn lazy to do your own research. Easier o roll your eyes, push the narrative and assume the worst from us. But hey at least you can keep claiming to be the victim #believeallmistwells

Quote from: Mistwell;1142833This is hilarious. I am a lifelong Republican, in most settings I am bashed by the left for being too right for them.

Very humorous.