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#GamerGate: Fighting for a more ethical world

Started by ArrozConLeche, December 13, 2014, 11:51:48 AM

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Will

#150
January 05, 2015, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;807988OH, so you're one of those people who instead of recognizing an extremely common usage of the word, you'll automatically assume he's anti-trans by intentionally refusing to use the right pronoun?

No, I asked for clarification. My response to you was clarifying my request for clarification.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;807988People like you are just as big of the problem as those who actually do spout bigoted things, because you assume bigotry in things that aren't, effectively shutting down any conversation and painting anyone who disagrees with you as a bigot.

*Edit* I'd rather have stuck with my original assumption that you were a grammar nazi douchebag.  But your clarification makes my opinion of you even lower.  At least the grammar nazis have some technical legitimacy to that complaint.

I'd rather you stop being a fucking asshole and looking for excuses to slag on people rather than, you know, grow the fuck up and ask.


And hey, you folks nailing attributes to 'social justice warriors'? Look in a fucking mirror and take the beam out of your anus.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Will

#151
January 05, 2015, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: Bren;807991Your scolding response assumes that the writer knows (a) that SomethingElse is a trans folk, (b) what pronoun SomethingElse prefers for reference, and (c) intentionally used a different pronoun. Why would you assume all three things?

Despite recognizing the screen name from RPGnet, I certainly don't know (a) or (b) about the person using the name SomethingElse.

My response was 'their?', asking the poster what he meant.

If Tristram had actually said 'I don't know whether this person is male or female,' then I'd go 'ok' and move on.

But you go right ahead and assume the worst.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Will

#152
January 05, 2015, 03:53:54 PM
Also, if people feel more confident that they know SE well enough to write her off as a terrible person/shithead, it seems ... odd that they wouldn't know any details about her life which have been pretty open and obvious for a while now.

And two people used 'their.'

But hey, I'm horribly oppressive responding with a scathing 'their?'
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Bren

#153
January 05, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Will;807993No, I asked for clarification.
Many people use "their" as a singular pronoun when the gender of the subject is unknown. I can't believe you don't know that, which makes your request seem other than a request for clarification. Your "stinkeye" follow up only reinforces the impression that you are offended at a common, gender neutral usage.
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Bren

#154
January 05, 2015, 03:57:46 PM Last Edit: January 05, 2015, 03:59:48 PM by Bren
Quote from: Will;807995Also, if people feel more confident that they know SE well enough to write her off as a terrible person/shithead, it seems ... odd that they wouldn't know any details about her life which have been pretty open and obvious for a while now.
Why? I don't know the details of Ettin's or Topher's lives either. But I still know they are shitheads.

The only reason I remember that you are a guy is because you have a picture of yourself as your avatar and you reference yourself in your posts. If you didn't have the picture, I'd probably forget the references. I don't spend much time archiving poster personal details. I'm more interested in what people say not who they say they are.
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Will

#155
January 05, 2015, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: Bren;807996Many people use "their" as a singular pronoun when the gender of the subject is unknown. I can't believe you don't know that, which makes your request seem other than a request for clarification. Your "stinkeye" follow up only reinforces the impression that you are offended at a common, gender neutral usage.

I do know that, but after two people felt confident enough that they knew her well enough to condemn her, it prompted me to ask.

I only made the stinkeye comment after people decided to make up motives rather than, you know, ask.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Will

#156
January 05, 2015, 04:07:59 PM
You know, the world would be a much better place if people refrained from writing up grand works of fiction about what they believe other folks' motives are and just... asked.

If something I'm doing or saying seems confusing or unreliable, ask what I mean.

Open invitation.

And I'll try to extend the same courtesy.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.

Sacrosanct

#157
January 05, 2015, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Will;807998I only made the stinkeye comment after people decided to make up motives rather than, you know, ask.


Bullshit.  I was the only "people" who responded, and my response had nothing to do with SE but on grammar.  You were the one to make that stinkeye comment all on your own, and unrelated to my initial post.

No one buys your bullshit or hypocrisy here Will.  Go back to TBP and they might.
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AmazingOnionMan

#158
January 05, 2015, 04:18:44 PM
Am I the only one who read the infamous pronoun as referring to the masturbatory justice club, and not transsexuals?

Ratman_tf

#159
January 05, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: baragei;808003Am I the only one who read the infamous pronoun as referring to the masturbatory justice club, and not transsexuals?

Nope. I did as well. I'm hesitant to dogpile on Will just because it's getting embarrasing, but goddamn.
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Warboss Squee

#160
January 05, 2015, 04:44:31 PM
Well, now that he's successfully made the thread about him, maybe we can get back on topic.

Novastar

#161
January 05, 2015, 05:14:19 PM Last Edit: January 05, 2015, 05:33:21 PM by Novastar
Quote from: MrHurst;807980It isn't GG trolls who did this, it's people who just don't see the surgery as the deal that it can be to others.
Point of Order, for the original story:
The scammer sold their surgery as necessary after a car accident, hinting that debris needed to be removed (a la Tony Stark) before it killed them. Pinsof discovered it was for SRS, and "unfortunately" outed the person when writing about the fraud.

"Unfortunately" is in quotations, since the person in question could not have been outed, except for the very details of the fraud they willfully committed.

The recent kerfuffle with trans-folk deems to be over srhbutts:
(Note, both links are to sites I consider highly dubious (Transformers reference) in their content. YHBW)
http://theralphretort.com/sick-sarah-nyberg-aka-sarah-butts/
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Srhbutts

EDIT: ah, yes, Bootleg Girl (wonderful name) directly links to Chloe Sagal's Patreon (the newest way to cyber-panhandle!).
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TristramEvans

#162
January 05, 2015, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: Will;807983'their'?

Shakespeare

TristramEvans

#163
January 05, 2015, 06:08:54 PM Last Edit: January 05, 2015, 06:11:19 PM by TristramEvans
Quote from: Will;807987No, I'm one of those people who gives people the stinkeye when they can't bring themselves to refer to trans folks as the gender they identify as.

Ive got no beef with transfolk, or however they want to identify.

SomethingElse OTOH, I think of as an "it", but this is the first time Ive encountered them using the screenname "Bootleggirl", so no idea if it's trans or, well, something else.

Will

#164
January 05, 2015, 06:21:43 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

The rest of that crap wasn't about you.
This forum is great in that the moderators aren\'t jack-booted fascists.

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with total a-holes, including a bunch of rape culture enabling dillholes.

So embracing the \'no X is better than bad X,\' I\'m out of here. If you need to find me I\'m sure you can.
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