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Yoda and Ben are Full of Shit

Started by crkrueger, January 12, 2017, 03:43:54 PM

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Spike

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June 22, 2017, 06:11:17 PM Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 06:13:45 PM by Spike
Quote from: Voros;970549No one made that argument. Most of the literary classics for kids have dark elements (Treasure Island, Dahl) and the same is true for kids films. I disagee that the modern PIxar and Disney films are all light and airy, the best handle darker elements and appeal to both kids and adults very well.

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Um.

Me.

Me, dude.

I was making it.





EDIT to add::: Also, Treasure Island and the works of Dahl are hardly 'Modern' works, especially as literary classics, as you called them. You're supporting part of my thesis there, that traditional 'kiddie fare' was pretty damn mature and adult. Seriously.  Even then modern takes on those classics tend to be dumbed down and stripped of much of their maturity, see also the Burton/Depp version of Willy Wonka vs the Wilder version.
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Headless

#46
June 22, 2017, 10:28:49 PM
Technically Dalh is probably Modern, Treasure island would be Enlightenment(but it might also be modern if its much newer than I think, and the 'modern' remakes would be post-modern.  

Wilders movie is probably post modern as well.  Thoughts aren't as new as we think they are.

Voros

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June 23, 2017, 04:03:50 AM
Does the Chocolate War or the books of Robin McKinely from the 80s count as modern? I think so. And there are a number of sf and fantasy books written for kids today that have darker material, I use to buy current books for my nieces when they were kids and teens and there was always lots to choose from. And you may have heard of this obscure series called The Hunger Games?

Dumarest

#48
June 23, 2017, 03:04:29 PM
Quote from: Spike;970781See also the Burton/Depp version of Willy Wonka vs the Wilder version.

I'm fairly sure that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Spike

#49
June 23, 2017, 08:53:20 PM
I'll point out that the '80s' is an entire generation ago, so while in the epochs of history we may consider anything that recent as 'modern', for the purposes of discussing modern culture its the fucking dark ages.   No Millennial, for example, the current crop of adults wandering around, was alive in even the late 80s, by definition, so their childhood entertainments would be things from the late 90s and early aughts, making that the oldest relevant examples childish fiction.

Mind you, the trend was already apparent in the 80s, but the other example cited was Treasure Island, which was published in 1833, or just shy of two centuries ago.
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Voros

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June 26, 2017, 01:45:23 AM Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 01:50:46 AM by Voros
That's not how literature works though. My nephews and nieces grew up reading The Witches, James and the Giant Peach, Alice in Wonderland, Where the Wild Things Are, Treasure Island and The Owl Service. Children's literature in particular is based on classics like those. And as I said I also did buy them more modern sf and fantasy books with lots of darker elements. One was a particularly good one about genetic engineering but the name escapes me, another is Feed.
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