If the Jedi had their way the whole galaxy would look like the emotion dead state of Equilibrium.
While the Sith are nearly all negative emotions.

Luke, and Anakin represented the middle ground. Anakin gets manipulated into the Sith and Luke gets manipulated into the Jedi.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;968365So the real solution is for the Jedi and Sith to commmit suicide/kill each other off until their numbers are always exactly equal!

Or just eliminate them both.

Quote from: Pyromancer;968535If there are a few thousand Jedi and a few thousand Sith, a few dozen more on either side doesn't shift the balance that much and can be corrected by adjusting the enrollment numbers the following years.

Well, I was speaking tongue-in-cheek there. I don't think the actual numbers were a balance issue. I think it references mental unbalance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBpoiC8qGA
"Bring balance to the force and destroy the Sith"

GL has been kind of a retcon wanker about his movies, but he's at least consistent that bringing balance to the Force entails destroying the Sith.
I think I can then safely connect the Sith to the unbalance.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;969057Well, I was speaking tongue-in-cheek there. I don't think the actual numbers were a balance issue. I think it references mental unbalance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBpoiC8qGA
"Bring balance to the force and destroy the Sith"

GL has been kind of a retcon wanker about his movies, but he's at least consistent that bringing balance to the Force entails destroying the Sith.
I think I can then safely connect the Sith to the unbalance.

I wouldn't put much stock in anything George Lucas said or wrote about Star Wars, the Jedi, and the rest. It's all clearly been made up as he went along after 1977. Darth went from being Lord Vader's first name to an evil title. None of it makes much sense when taken as a whole.

Quote from: Dumarest;969074I wouldn't put much stock in anything George Lucas said or wrote about Star Wars, the Jedi, and the rest. It's all clearly been made up as he went along after 1977. Darth went from being Lord Vader's first name to an evil title. None of it makes much sense when taken as a whole.

Well, there is that and the fact that Disney doesn't give a tinker's damn about what George Lucas thinks about anything, and they paid him for the privilege of not caring. GL is, as best I can gather, pretty put out about all this 'Grey-Force/Ones in the Middle' shit, since it more or less takes a giant stinking dump all over his idea about Light=Good, Dark=Evil morality in Star Wars, yet that is not only what Disney is giving us, they've spent years and... I'm not even sure this is hyperbolic... billions of dollars setting up.  

Much Props to Disney's Star Wars team for making it inoffensive and even smart looking. So much better than some of those shaky magical-girl 'I'm not going to be good or evil, I'm going to be better by being neutral' crap that was all the rage about five years ago (Lost Girl, that one witch movie that (shockingly) went with the equally dumb "True Love is sisterly not romantic" that was all the rage around the same time as the twist, and probably some other films/tv shows I forgot about or never knew about...).  Of course, they have it easy... GL's philosophy behind the force is appallingly juvenile and shallow, to the point where its best that he did aim more for kiddie audiences as the setting expanded.

Star Wars was always for kids. Deal with it.

Quote from: Voros;969704Star Wars was always for kids. Deal with it.

Well, for anyone who enjoys an action-adventure romp. It's when they try to make Star Wars SERIOUS and MEANINGFUL that it quickly becomes silly. "They" meaning both the filmmakers and the fans.

The best Star Wars stuff being produced now is the Lego comedy series.

Certainly adults can love it. I still love Empire. But like Pixar and the best of Disney while adults can enjoy it it is meant for kids, as it should be, nothing the matter with that. As you say it's when people try and turn these things all earnest and adult that they become most silly. Alan Moore and David Mazzucchelli have noted the same thing about superhero comics.

Quote from: Voros;969736Certainly adults can love it. I still love Empire. But like Pixar and the best of Disney while adults can enjoy it it is meant for kids, as it should be, nothing the matter with that. As you say it's when people try and turn these things all earnest and adult that they become most silly. Alan Moore and David Mazzucchelli have noted the same thing about superhero comics.

I agree. I'm always mildly embarrassed for grown men who try to tell me super hero comic books are Serious Literature and then try to prove it by showing me poorly written and drawn graphic violence and sex scenes, as if that makes them "mature."

And the Lego Star Wars shows are hilarious for adults and children. They hit all the levels with the silliness and subtlety. They also poke fun at some of the plot holes and stupid things characters do in the films.

A very serious argument could be made that nothing should be written 'for the kids', at least not in the current fashion.  It is acceptable to allow for fiction that is written for younger audiences (such as by having younger protagonists), but this idea of cutesy light and airy, patently insulting to adult audiences style 'kiddy fare' is more than a little patronizing to children and is annoying for adults to sit through (such as parents).

If we accept that A New Hope is kiddy-fare, it proves in essence my point. Luke loses his entire family in a rather grim moment, and eventually has to shoulder the burden of fighting the Empire and redeeming the Jedi Order despite the loss of his mentor.  Heavy stuff compared to most 'kid flicks'.  Going back a bit further we have Old Yeller, which was aimed at young audiences, but ends with (SPOILER!!!!) shooting the damn dog in the face!

Most of the popular 'kid movies' I can think of in recent years have still managed to retain some of that 'adult edge', only discarding it in the inevitable cash-grab and grossly inferior sequels.

The flip side of this, as alluded to earlier, is that in attempting to make 'adult specific fare' you get gratuitous nudity and often insultingly over the top violence, or alternatively gross out humor catering to the lowest common denominator and apparently written by, ironically, children.

Quote from: Spike;970154A very serious argument could be made that nothing should be written 'for the kids', at least not in the current fashion.  It is acceptable to allow for fiction that is written for younger audiences (such as by having younger protagonists), but this idea of cutesy light and airy, patently insulting to adult audiences style 'kiddy fare' is more than a little patronizing to children and is annoying for adults to sit through (such as parents).

If we accept that A New Hope is kiddy-fare, it proves in essence my point. Luke loses his entire family in a rather grim moment, and eventually has to shoulder the burden of fighting the Empire and redeeming the Jedi Order despite the loss of his mentor.  Heavy stuff compared to most 'kid flicks'.  Going back a bit further we have Old Yeller, which was aimed at young audiences, but ends with (SPOILER!!!!) shooting the damn dog in the face!

Most of the popular 'kid movies' I can think of in recent years have still managed to retain some of that 'adult edge', only discarding it in the inevitable cash-grab and grossly inferior sequels.

The flip side of this, as alluded to earlier, is that in attempting to make 'adult specific fare' you get gratuitous nudity and often insultingly over the top violence, or alternatively gross out humor catering to the lowest common denominator and apparently written by, ironically, children.

I agree wholly one of the longer running cartoons still on the air Is winx club(also the most popular magical girl show in the world) and I personally think A large part of it has to do with the way that show touches on real issues.

Quote from: Spike;970154A very serious argument could be made that nothing should be written 'for the kids', at least not in the current fashion.  It is acceptable to allow for fiction that is written for younger audiences (such as by having younger protagonists), but this idea of cutesy light and airy, patently insulting to adult audiences style 'kiddy fare' is more than a little patronizing to children and is annoying for adults to sit through (such as parents).

No one made that argument. Most of the literary classics for kids have dark elements (Treasure Island, Dahl) and the same is true for kids films. I disagee that the modern PIxar and Disney films are all light and airy, the best handle darker elements and appeal to both kids and adults very well.

Oh I see you mean in the inferior sequels. Perhaps, do you have examples?

Quote from: Dumarest;969719The best Star Wars stuff being produced now is the Lego comedy series.

Agreed.

And I enjoyed the Lego Batman movie at least x100 more than the Batsad vs. Superlame movie.

Quote from: Spinachcat;970619Agreed.

And I enjoyed the Lego Batman movie at least x100 more than the Batsad vs. Superlame movie.

There are several Lego Batman, Justice League, etc. movies and they are all packed with humor and adventure.  The Lego Jurassic World cartoon is pretty funny, too. My kids can't get enough.

It's too bad Warner Bros. doesn't hire whoever writes the Lego material instead of whoever they are using for their terrible live-action movies.