Quote from: Pat;979070There have been a few attempts. Let's see:

Adventurer (a lot more than the last time I looked)
Fantasy Traveller

My attempt (mentioned upstream):

http://platonicsolid.blogspot.com/search/label/Adventurer

Quote from: Pat;979070There have been a few attempts. Let's see:

Adventurer (a lot more than the last time I looked)
Fantasy Traveller

Thanks for those links. Even if I don't use "Fantasy Traveller," another Traveller blog is always of interest to me.

Also, there's Flynn's Guide to Magic which I've always been tempted to cross-polinate with Zenobia:).

Madprofessor - if I get you right, you're looking for something heavier than Zenobia, less coarse than BoL and lighter than d100 systems? I'll think of a better suggestion, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to come up with anything better than "adapt StarORE for the Antiquity", which in itself isn't terribly useful;).

Quote from: AsenRG;979119Also, there's Flynn's Guide to Magic which I've always been tempted to cross-polinate with Zenobia;).

On the commercial side, there's also Netherell (a fantasy world in Terra-Sol's Twilight Sector), though I don't know much about it.

Quote from: Pat;979120On the commercial side, there's also Netherell (a fantasy world in Terra-Sol's Twilight Sector), though I don't know much about it.

I haven't read it either, though I admit that's got something to do with price, because I like the approach "some planets contain magic".

Quote from: Eisenmann;979092My attempt (mentioned upstream):

http://platonicsolid.blogspot.com/search/label/Adventurer

Isn't that kinda different from the one on DocGrognard's blog?
Or, if it isn't, why the two different sites;)?

Quote from: AsenRG;979122Isn't that kinda different from the one on DocGrognard's blog?
Or, if it isn't, why the two different sites;)?

They're two independent projects that just so happened to land on the name 'Adventurer'. I chose the name since it seems like a natural play on 'Wanderer' if looking at a fantasy version of Traveller as White Box D&D.

Quote from: AsenRG;979119Also, there's Flynn's Guide to Magic which I've always been tempted to cross-polinate with Zenobia:).

Oooh, that looks cool.  I like Zenobia a great deal as product (I have AD 43 on order), but I like the setting info and fluff a lot better than the system

QuoteMadprofessor - if I get you right, you're looking for something heavier than Zenobia, less coarse than BoL and lighter than d100 systems? I'll think of a better suggestion, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to come up with anything better than "adapt StarORE for the Antiquity", which in itself isn't terribly useful;).

I have no idea what StarORE is.  Anyway, good of you to notice that I am impossibly picky about system.  That's true. It's why I have hundreds of pages of houserules and habitually re-write large chunks of any system I use when I run a campaign.  It's just the way I GM.  

BRP is not heavy IMO. Mythras is a little crunchy in combat and is otherwise 'involved' but easy to play. It is more that I have played a lot of these games recently and want a change of pace.  I''ll say again, they are perfect games for what I am trying to do, I'm just feeling like something different - and that's the best excuse I have for looking at other options.

I am leaning towards a heavily modded BoL/Heroes of Hellas.  BoL is incredibly robust and easy to hack.  I like that. It is a favorite of mine and of my group.  A second runner up is GURPS or maybe TFT.  I've only run a little bit of GURPS in my day, and I am actually a little intimidated by it.  I couldn't comfortably hack it without more experience with it. Historical/mythic bronze age limits GURPS' scope to a pretty manageable level, so it might be a time to take the plunge.  I am also enjoying M&M, but I don't think that will be the game.  Still need to check out Agon as I know nothing about it yet. Then there is Atlantis...

Runequest or original D&D.

A lot of effort has gone into Mazes & Minotaurs.
I suppose the lack of excitement over it is due to it being free, and therefore assumed to be "valueless"?
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Games named [Letter] & [Letter] ceased to attract any interest from me around 1980 or so. It's a tired, overused conceit. Adding on a further conceit throughout the rules that M&M was the first RPG EVAH! sounds like it would exactly as fun as those Saturday Night Live sketches that went on for 5-10 long minutes after the joke stopped being funny. On top of all that its a level based system which seems like a rather poor fit for emulating demigods and heroes like Heracles, Perseus, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Achilles, etc. who start out their careers stronger, smarter, tougher, or better than ordinary men.

Quote from: Greentongue;979283A lot of effort has gone into Mazes & Minotaurs.
I suppose the lack of excitement over it is due to it being free, and therefore assumed to be "valueless".
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Actually, no, in my case the lack of excitement is due to it treating the Antiquity the same way D&D treats Medieval Europe;).

Quote from: Bren;979302Games named [Letter] & [Letter] ceased to attract any interest from me around 1980 or so. It's a tired, overused conceit. Adding on a further conceit throughout the rules that M&M was the first RPG EVAH! sounds like it would exactly as fun as those Saturday Night Live sketches that went on for 5-10 long minutes after the joke stopped being funny. On top of all that its a level based system which seems like a rather poor fit for emulating demigods and heroes like Heracles, Perseus, Jason, Theseus, Odysseus, Achilles, etc. who start out their careers stronger, smarter, tougher, or better than ordinary men.

Yes, we need a moratorium on alliterative ampersand games starting right after I publish my magnum opus ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM).

ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM): a D&D-derived "OSR" game wherein players roll up their very own frustrated game designers and compete to create the best-selling D&D-derived fantasy game of all time. Also there are hobbits and orcs. The rules, written with true Gygaxian ambiguity, are destined to be debated endlessly and interpreted differently by each GM! And to prove it is simultaneously traditional and innovative, ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM) uses 30-sided dice wherever needless.

Quote from: AsenRG;979304Actually, no, in my case the lack of excitement is due to it treating the Antiquity the same way D&D treats Medieval Europe;).

That pretty much nails it.

QuoteOriginally Posted by Dumarest
Yes, we need a moratorium on alliterative ampersand games starting right after I publish my magnum opus ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM).

ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM): a D&D-derived "OSR" game wherein players roll up their very own frustrated game designers and compete to create the best-selling D&D-derived fantasy game of all time. Also there are hobbits and orcs. The rules, written with true Gygaxian ambiguity, are destined to be debated endlessly and interpreted differently by each GM! And to prove it is simultaneously traditional and innovative, ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM) uses 30-sided dice wherever needless.

lol! That's some funny shit right there!

Quote from: Dumarest;979317Yes, we need a moratorium on alliterative ampersand games starting right after I publish my magnum opus ALLITERATION & AMPERSANDS (TM).

Shortly after the ban is instituted, I'll publish CONSONANCE & CONJUNCTIONS, an artsy story-game that uses the convention ironically.

Quote from: tenbones;979067If that thread doesn't convince a person how good Atlantis is, nothing will.

Well, it convinced me to find a copy, but it wasn't my cup of tea. My copy's for sale if someone would like to make an offer.