Quote from: Madprofessor;978873- Heroes of Olympus - looks like an overlooked 1981 gem. Problem is I know nothing about it as a system, and I can't find a copy. It's on my collectors radar though

I think it's pretty darn good, especially if you are looking for Jason and the Argonauts/Clash of the Titans-type adventure. No idea how hard it is to find a copy. I saw it on eBay once a while back. I've never seen any pirated PDFs of it.

Quote from: Madprofessor;978873Did I miss any?

Someone up above mentioned Agon.

Quote from: Madprofessor;978873- There is always GURPS Greece - probably not, but maybe modified TFT? Does anybody know if GURPS Greece is any good?

I'd like to see GURPS Greece. I only ever see it for sale at a price I won't pay. If it's even only averagely good for GURPS, it's probably still pretty good. The Fantasy Trip could easily be used for swords 'n' sandals action but wouldn't have much background material you could use so you'd have to research it or adapt from another source.

For Bronze Age definitely GURPS, there's so much potential and flexibility that I wouldn't ever considering using anything else.

I've wanted to try running AGON, but that's more The Odyssey/Clash of the Titans-fare.

Quote from: Simlasa;978882The author has a presentation of the topic on Youtube. I watched it a couple days ago and it was interesting, though I'm curious what other historians might have to say about his ideas.

He has a few lectures on it.  His main thesis is that, whatever the trigger that brought civilization low (probably several things coming together at once) it was the interconnection and interdependence that caused widespread collapse.  It makes it kind of hip and relevant because of the obvious parallels.  It's also probably as good as any theory I've read.

Anyway,

If this isn't like an advert for an RPG, I don't know what is.  Pretty high energy for Princeton UP.

Quote from: Dumarest;978885I'd like to see GURPS Greece. I only ever see it for sale at a price I won't pay. If it's even only averagely good for GURPS, it's probably still pretty good. The Fantasy Trip could easily be used for swords 'n' sandals action but wouldn't have much background material you could use so you'd have to research it or adapt from another source.

Greece is middle of the road, for GURPS. So fairly solid. (Designer's notes here.) Better than the Celts book, which draws too much from the (fictional) Celtic revival. Though the essential book for an ancient campaign is probably Low-Tech, which has an amazing discussion of technology in ancient times (both the 3e and 4e versions are very good).

Earthdawn takes place around the end of the Bronze age, and the high-magic setting is mostly bronze-to-early-iron-age with some crazy anachronisms (steel is magic, airships, flying castles, etc). I have run a few games that have the feel of the thread. Very high magic, even non-spellcasters manipulate mana to use their Talents.

I also recommend the very well researched "Legendary Quest" game (free). Not for the rules, but for the very well researched myth-based bestiaries, especially the Mediterranean book.
http://legendaryquest.netfirms.com/Download.htm

Quote from: Pat;978550Read a little further in the thread.

(It doesn't exist.)

I am stunned. I ran Traveller Fantasy homebrews 30 years ago and I assumed somebody would have published one by now.

It's brain dead easy to make Classic Traveller into a fantasy game.

Quote from: Madprofessor;978873- Mazes and Minotaurs -  Spinach says I need this game, and it does sound cool as a D&D alternative. I know its free as a PDF, but I'll probably buy a copy.  I'm not really looking for a class/level game, but you never know.

It's not for sale. It's a non-profit project. Confused me too.

Years ago, I used an online POD service and had the PDFs spiral bound.

BTW, all this talk of Bronze Age is forgetting Ancient Egypt!

I have run Palladium's Valley of the Pharaohs several times and that was fun. I've used D&D's Hollow World and Ravenlofts' faux Egypt too.

And yes, M&M has a free supplement for faux Egypt.
http://www.rpgnow.com/product/211773/Atlas-of-Mythika-The-Desert-Kingdom

Quote from: Madprofessor;978873- Heroes of Hellas - This is probably it for me, though I'll need to modify it a lot as BoL is awfully thick grained.  Thankfully its easy to mod.

If you wanted to use it for something more OSR, Simon did write The BoL Hack (a Black Hack based version of BoL) that keeps the Career and magic systems, but converted for use with OSR style games.

Quote from: urbwar;978980If you wanted to use it for something more OSR, Simon did write The BoL Hack (a Black Hack based version of BoL) that keeps the Career and magic systems, but converted for use with OSR style games.

Worth pointing out that Heroes of Hellas is a supplement to BoL, written for the Legendary Edition, which you would need to run it. It gives a great game of Harryhausen/300 style Greek Heroes. Provided you are up with BoL's rules light nature and use of Hero Points, it would work great for this sort of game. The author has mentioned putting out a new edition for the current (superior IMHO) Mythic Edition of BoL - but no idea how advanced that is.

If you are solidly OSR, then Mazes and Monsters is the best choice. If you want something more crunchy, then a BPR/D100 system is probably what you need.

Here's a lovely set up for such a game - http://dynastyzero.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/would-you-like-little-salt-with-that.html

By the way, Heroes of Hellas has a good naval combat mini-system, that was adapted for Barbarians of Lemuria Mythic Edition.

Quote from: Raleel;978497You can follow status on the TDM boards. And my apologies for getting the name wrong

No need to apologize, I was merely demonstrating my nerdmastery of fantasy miniature movie monsters.

Quote from: Spinachcat;978971I am stunned. I ran Traveller Fantasy homebrews 30 years ago and I assumed somebody would have published one by now.

It's brain dead easy to make Classic Traveller into a fantasy game.

Yes! Someone needs to get off their ass and publish Wanderer!

QuoteIt's not for sale. It's a non-profit project. Confused me too.

Years ago, I used an online POD service and had the PDFs spiral bound.

Yes, I have been devouring M&Ms all night (to the point where I need to go lecture without sleep) thanks to your threats.

I think I never looked at this game because it was free! How stupid is that? Like it had no value.  I probably won't use it.  But it has awesomesause all over it!

QuoteBTW, all this talk of Bronze Age is forgetting Ancient Egypt!

I have run Palladium's Valley of the Pharaohs several times and that was fun. I've used D&D's Hollow World and Ravenlofts' faux Egypt too.

And yes, M&M has a free supplement for faux Egypt.
http://www.rpgnow.com/product/211773/Atlas-of-Mythika-The-Desert-Kingdom

Yes.  I need to look at Egypt and the rest of the bronze age.  Didn't the Xoth guy do a d20 book on Mesopotamia that was supposed to be pretty cool?

Quote from: Spinachcat;978971BTW, all this talk of Bronze Age is forgetting Ancient Egypt!

Nah, I mentioned the Aegyptus supplement for Heroes of Olympus a couple of times. It was published in Nexus magazine.

Quote from: That Guy;978881It's a longish read, but Skywalker started a thread on this forum discussing the new edition, with some character creation walk-throughs, other character examples, some discussion of mechanics, and a combat example.

If that thread doesn't convince a person how good Atlantis is, nothing will.

As for crunch. It's light-medium crunch. It's the Omega System (house version of the classic Talislanta core mechanics) which is really easy to use. The "crunch" comes from chargen and Magic. Which really just boils down to skill-based checks for effect.

Quote from: Spinachcat;978971I am stunned. I ran Traveller Fantasy homebrews 30 years ago and I assumed somebody would have published one by now.

It's brain dead easy to make Classic Traveller into a fantasy game.

There have been a few attempts. Let's see:

Adventurer (a lot more than the last time I looked)
Fantasy Traveller