Quote from: Zak S;847257That's not a knife.

This is a knife.

(Just up today.)

Um...congratulations on being more hipster than the OP's video I guess?

Isn't Dungeon World the officially approved hipster D&D?

Quote from: Haffrung;847204The thing about hipsters isn't their taste in clothes, grooming, coffee, beer, or music. Craft beers, vinyl, and roots music are all things I personally enjoy as well. It's the fact that they passionately champion authenticity and originality, and yet by an astonishing coincidence, they've authentically and originally ended up dressing and behaving remarkably similar to hundreds of thousands of other people of their socio-economic cohort.

"Yeah, they all want to express their individuality in exactly the same way."  -- my dad, 1967.

That which is old is new again.

Quote from: Opaopajr;847292There is no way to contextualize this without quoting from your blog, so let's start there:



Thanks Zak for reminding me about those decadent-psychotic era homemaking mags. I have been doing D&D through decadent cooking fantasia with Game of Thrones grittiness (it started so lighthearted...). I had battlefields with trebuchets flinging flaming meringue and lady-in-waiting massive conical hats veiled with edible sugar sculpture. But why re-invent the wheel? Now I have old cookbooks and magazines to sift through!
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Okay, that quote from Zak's blog is fucking brilliant.  And my next year's GaryCon OD&D game is DEFINITELY going to involve the Skull Fortress of the Hate Toad!!!!

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;847627"Yeah, they all want to express their individuality in exactly the same way."  -- my dad, 1967.

That which is old is new again.

And just like punks and goths when I was a teen.

Newsflash: Young people are deeply insecure and undergoing an identity crisis.

That fact that people in their teens and early 20s are ridiculous and infuriating to their elders means things are moving along pretty much like they always have.

Quote from: Baulderstone;847632And just like punks and goths when I was a teen.

Newsflash: Young people are deeply insecure and undergoing an identity crisis.

That fact that people in their teens and early 20s are ridiculous and infuriating to their elders means things are moving along pretty much like they always have.

I remember my late mom bitching about "We Will Rock You" by Queen.

I thought, but didn't say, "Well, Ma, Freddie and the lads would be really disappointed if you liked this song."

I generally like hipsters.

You'd think LA would be full of them, but its just one subculture among a thousand micro-niches.

I don't get the "Ironic Enjoyment" thing, though.

Quote from: jan paparazzi;847613Isn't Dungeon World the officially approved hipster D&D?

Only in the ironic sense.

More things change, more they stay the same, huhn?

Quote from: Baulderstone;847632And just like punks and goths when I was a teen.

Newsflash: Young people are deeply insecure and undergoing an identity crisis.

That fact that people in their teens and early 20s are ridiculous and infuriating to their elders means things are moving along pretty much like they always have.

What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated. It took me a while to get what a hipster was. I don't really get the hate. I can certainly see the silliness of some of it. The one true hipster I worked with infuriated me with his competitive air guitar at times, but otherwise he was just a typical young person. I don't know, the idea that someone, somewhere is smugly enjoying a microbrew I'll never have the taste buds to appreciate isn't worth getting upset over. In the grand scheme, it's pretty harmless.

I've come to think there are three kinds of hipsters, at least here in Europe/Germany:

The Full Blown Stereotype: The memetic hipster, the kind of person people imagine when the word is said, an almost mystical creature many may never have witnessed in the flesh. They crowd around their hotspots, but are almost impossible to find elsewhere. Berlin is a major nest, so I see droves of cliche hipsters whenever I visit that city. Never knew one personally, but that may be because you stop perceiving people as stereotypical once you know them well.

The Fashion Hipster: This person wears and consumes hipster associated stuff because it is a thing to do, but never goes the whole mile, noticeable for a few stereotypical accessories, most prominently the standard package thick glasses. These are careful never to stray to far from the mainstream, for example, you won't find them bearing obvious hipster tattoos, because they are still worried about their job prospects. They have become rarer has the big hipster backlash erupted and mainstream fashion moved on, but far from extinct. I find that the other two types tend to be of an age between 25 and 35, while fashion hipsters are often younger or older.

The Proto Hipster: People that conform to parts of the stereotype, but reject or are naturally apart from other parts of it. They where often that way before hipsters became a thing, though it often became more pronounced when the term and stereotype became widely known, if only because more avenues to indulge themselves came up.

I know a lot of these and do include myself in this group. Before the rampant hipster hype and rabid ongoing hipster backlash, we'd even self identify as hipsters on occasion. This is a very wide and diverse group, but every proto hipster will have some things they are snobbish about, a few things they liked "before they where a thing", some area of taste where they hunt for cool new bands/artists/products they will invariably become less enchanted with when those grow popular and often some parallels in their style to the stereotype.

I've known this group to launch some of the most vicious attacks on hipsters, but also suspect many would be much closer to the stereotype if something didn't hold them back. Awareness and rejection of the stereotype is one of these causes, while another is simply the high cost of the hipster lifestyle in both time and money.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated. It took me a while to get what a hipster was. I don't really get the hate. I can certainly see the silliness of some of it. The one true hipster I worked with infuriated me with his competitive air guitar at times, but otherwise he was just a typical young person. I don't know, the idea that someone, somewhere is smugly enjoying a microbrew I'll never have the taste buds to appreciate isn't worth getting upset over. In the grand scheme, it's pretty harmless.

It appears to me that many hipsters and proto hipsters hate on hipsters.

Others have said that being a hipster it is very much about individualism. When the hipster hype started, people that wanted to be a lot of things, but not part of a group or trend, where confronted with the fact that they where part of a trend. So everyone pounced on the "other hipster" as a "fake" that ruined being special for everyone.

That and all the people that knew one snob to many now had an image to focus their hate on.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;847651What confuses me about the hipster thing is I woke up one day and it was clear everyone in the world had agreed hipsters were to be hated. It took me a while to get what a hipster was. I don't really get the hate. I can certainly see the silliness of some of it. The one true hipster I worked with infuriated me with his competitive air guitar at times, but otherwise he was just a typical young person. I don't know, the idea that someone, somewhere is smugly enjoying a microbrew I'll never have the taste buds to appreciate isn't worth getting upset over. In the grand scheme, it's pretty harmless.

Pretty much. I'm sure to objective outsiders, there is no discernible difference in ridiculousness between hipsters arguing over their favorite bands and gamers arguing over their favorite edition of an RPG.

Quote from: Gold Roger;847671It appears to me that many hipsters and proto hipsters hate on hipsters.

Others have said that being a hipster it is very much about individualism. When the hipster hype started, people that wanted to be a lot of things, but not part of a group or trend, where confronted with the fact that they where part of a trend. So everyone pounced on the "other hipster" as a "fake" that ruined being special for everyone.

That and all the people that knew one snob to many now had an image to focus their hate on.

To continue my gaming analogy, see any discussion of "fake geeks".

Quote from: Gold Roger;847671It appears to me that many hipsters and proto hipsters hate on hipsters.

Others have said that being a hipster it is very much about individualism. When the hipster hype started, people that wanted to be a lot of things, but not part of a group or trend, where confronted with the fact that they where part of a trend. So everyone pounced on the "other hipster" as a "fake" that ruined being special for everyone.

That and all the people that knew one snob to many now had an image to focus their hate on.

I've seen soda adds mocking hipsters, so I think it is well past it being an internal thing amongst different strains of hipster. I hear complaints about hipsters on TV, radio, etc. seems fairly widespread.