Quote from: iandimitri;755509Not necessarily true, but this had me laughing as I read it.

No, it's true. The trivia contest at the 1 minute mark of this video sums it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1qas-CL14

I do full contact martial arts. You hit people and get hit in return. If someone's better than you, or bigger, or stronger, or faster, you suck it up and try your best to work around it.

I have two healthy children, I know my balls actually work.

After those two, frankly any other supposed measures of "manliness" pale in comparison. Deriving some sense of adequacy (or worse still, masculinity) from the way you play your games of make-believe, makes you a pussy.

Quote from: One Horse Town;755562Probably the most vocal, but you get variations of it with most games.

I mean, there's the WFRP whiffs! crowd.

Well, yeah, it's WFRP you tossers. Go play FASERIP if you want to play super-heroes.

It will be a bitch to find, but the best I've seen of this was when Mongoose was putting out its first two aliens books for Traveller. The grognards threw a fit over minor things with the Aslan, so in response Matt Sprange posted a picture of a Vargr with antlers and claimed it would be in the next book. The grognards lost their shit.

I wish I could find a copy of that image of a Vargr with antlers.

Quote from: jeff37923;755567It will be a bitch to find, but the best I've seen of this was when Mongoose was putting out its first two aliens books for Traveller. The grognards threw a fit over minor things with the Aslan, so in response Matt Sprange posted a picture of a Vargr with antlers and claimed it would be in the next book. The grognards lost their shit.

I wish I could find a copy of that image of a Vargr with antlers.

OMG that is funny. I'm usually not a fan of RPG companies trolling their (would be) customers, but that one's pretty cool.

Unfortunately the link is down - http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=604365

Quote from: Windjammer;755573OMG that is funny. I'm usually not a fan of RPG companies trolling their (would be) customers, but that one's pretty cool.

Unfortunately the link is down - http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=604365

Yeah, the pic first appeared on the Citizens of the Imperium forum. I think they deliberately hid it so that the flamefest would hurry and burn itself out.

Quote from: Necrozius;755483If this has really been a complaint somewhere... then fuck this hobby with a Rhinoceros cock.

I traumatized another player once when my character chose a quarterstaff as his favorite weapon instead of greatsword. OMG!?! How could anyone tolerate not being optimized!!!!!!!

Quote from: Bill;755590I traumatized another player once when my character chose a quarterstaff as his favorite weapon instead of greatsword. OMG!?! How could anyone tolerate not being optimized!!!!!!!

It depends on the table you're at, really. If your character is the outlier, they're the one in the wrong; if you refuse to change, or expect the entire group to change for you, you're still in the wrong.

If you're at a table of players with optimized characters, and you bring along someone not to their level and refuse to change or accept advice on how to bring it up, you're being an asshole.

Bring Killer McManistan to a table with regular "this looks cool and kinda appropriate" characters and refuse to change, you're being an asshole.

Quote from: Brander;755528people should be playing it in ways that they like, the only wrong way is one that's not enjoyable on some level.

These days in practice, I find that playing ANY game with "serious business" type of gamers, will frequently involve going through all of the rules of a game  thoroughly and coming to a final agreement as to which rules will be used and which ones are discarded.  This is before even starting the actual game itself.

(Even for games like chess or checkers).


Basically a long drawn out negotiation.

Quote from: Bill;755590I traumatized another player once when my character chose a quarterstaff as his favorite weapon instead of greatsword. OMG!?! How could anyone tolerate not being optimized!!!!!!!

You shoudl have instisted that the DM balance the awesome "king of weapons"

From http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2001/jwmaart_docherty_0501.htm

An Englishman named Richard Peeke was involved in an episode during the English, Spanish wars and is a tale of how effective the Quarterstaff can be in trained hands, as an excerpt from maister Terry Browns book English Martial Arts explains.

"In the year 1625 England and Spain were at war and Peeke was serving in an English naval squadron, under the command of the Earl of Essex, which was attacking a Spanish naval stronghold. After heavy and accurate bombardment the English captured the fortress, whereupon, they sent forces ashore to carry the attack inland. In the wake of the English landings sailors were sent ashore to forage for food. Richard Peeke, of Tavistock in Devon, was among them. Unwisely he foraged alone and paid the price for his mistake when he was attacked by a patrol of spanish musketers. After a furious fight, during which Peeke was wounded twice, he was captured and taken in chains to Cales ( Cadiz ). from there he was transfered to Xeres where he was put on trial. Present at his trial, which in reality was a miitary interrogation, were four Dukes, four Marquesses, and four Earls. After much questioning Peeke was asked if he thought that the Spanish soldiers present would prove such 'hennes' as the English when they landed in England the following yeare. "

"No" replied Peeke. "They would prove to be pullets or chickens."

Peeke's insolent reply brought forth an angry response from the Spaniards.

"Darst thou then ( quoth Duke Mdyna, with a brow half angry ) fight with one of these Spanish pullets."

Peeke replied that,

"...hee was unworthy the name of an Englishman, that should refuse to fight with one man of any nation whatsoever."

At this Peek's chains and shackles were removed and a space was created for him to fight a Spanish champion by the name of Tiago. Both were armed with Rapier and Poinard. The ensuing fight continued for some time before Peeke, using the guard of the poinard, trapped the blade of Tiago's rapier and simultaniously swept the Spaniards feet from under him. Peeke's rapier, held to the throat of senor Tiago brought forth the necessary capitulation. Spanish pride had been sorely wounded and it was demanded of Peeke whether he would be willing to fight another Spaniard. Peeke replied in the affirmative provided he was allowed to fight with.

"... mine owne countrrey weapon called the quarter - staffe."

Upon this remark the Spanish unscrewed the head from a Halbered to create a makeshift Quarterstaff. Armed with the weapon of his choice Peeke stood ready to meet his next challenger. However the Spanish were clearly no longer so confident in the prowess of their soldiers for, to Peeke's consternation, two Swordsmen stepped forward to fight him. Peeke sarcastically asked if more would like to join them. The Duke of Medyna asked how many he desired to fight.

"Any number under sixe". replied Peeke.

The Duke smiled scornfully and beckoned a third man to join the original two. Peeke and the rapier men warily traversed each other, all the while thrusting and warding, till finally Peeke gambled on an all out attack. His first blow a left one of his adversaries dead and his subsequent blows left the other two injured and disarmed. No doubt they also left the spanish seriously questioning the wisdom of their invasion plans. Peeke's feat so impressed his Spanish captors that they released him and granted him safe conduct to England.

Quote from: Kiero;755566Deriving some sense of adequacy (or worse still, masculinity) from the way you play your games of make-believe, makes you a pussy.

More generally.

Just as bad or even worse, are the individuals who do the same thing by other means, such as bragging about:

- how much booze they can consume
- the movies they watch
- the tv shows they watch
- the type of music they listen to
- the sports events they watch
- what kind of car they own
- the zip code they live in
- how hot their gf/wife is

etc ...

Quote from: Ladybird;755600It depends on the table you're at, really. If your character is the outlier, they're the one in the wrong; if you refuse to change, or expect the entire group to change for you, you're still in the wrong.

If you're at a table of players with optimized characters, and you bring along someone not to their level and refuse to change or accept advice on how to bring it up, you're being an asshole.

Bring Killer McManistan to a table with regular "this looks cool and kinda appropriate" characters and refuse to change, you're being an asshole.

In my experience groups of optimizers are never at the same level anyway.  
Someone will have a 'slacker' characater regardless.


I don't disagree with you about group expectations, but I tend to play with people that focus more on the character than the build.

I just can't get excited at about how many darts my character can throw, or get excited at finding a way to get full attacks in 3X when I move.

Quote from: One Horse Town;755436That's what RPG forums look like these days.

Well, if other forums bother you so much, you can just ignore them and stay here in a realm where it's constantly about player hatred and songs of praise to Cartmanesque GM Authoritah.

Quote from: Kiero;755566I do full contact martial arts. You hit people and get hit in return. If someone's better than you, or bigger, or stronger, or faster, you suck it up and try your best to work around it.

I have two healthy children, I know my balls actually work.

After those two, frankly any other supposed measures of "manliness" pale in comparison. Deriving some sense of adequacy (or worse still, masculinity) from the way you play your games of make-believe, makes you a pussy.

While it certainly has nothing to with manliness, i do think there are players and posters who meet OHT's description that are basically sore losers, and I have to admit I have very little patience for that.

Quote from: Kiero;755566I do full contact martial arts. You hit people and get hit in return. If someone's better than you, or bigger, or stronger, or faster, you suck it up and try your best to work around it.

I have two healthy children, I know my balls actually work.

After those two, frankly any other supposed measures of "manliness" pale in comparison.

Playing a sport and impregnating someone doesn't make you manly.  Certainly not to the level where everything else "pales in comparison."  If you think it does, you have a lot to learn.

I have very little tolerance for sore losers myself.

With that out of the way: what an unfortunately titled thread. Pussy is good. I like pussy. I dare say it's my favorite thing in the world. On several occasions I've given up on going out with friends, eating great food, earning a little extra money, and yes, even scheduled RPG sessions, just so I could get it. I even work with pussy maintenance sometimes! (It's a sad sort of pussywork, though. Pussy cancer is an ugly thing.)

On a more serious note, I'm not crazy about the derogatory use of "pussy" because (1) we have girls in this hobby and (2) I don't think being a sore loser is not emasculating per se as much as it's just generally pathetic and demeaning. And this applies to boys, girls and everything in between.