So, you're arguing something that you, yourself, admit is stupid, dumb, faulty thinking and ignorant as hell.

What the fuck is your point?

Did you give even a micro-second's consideration to the topic in hand here or did you simply copy'n'paste some irrelevant drivel that you'd already posted on TBP across to here?

Are you anything more than a waste of oxygen and a negative influence on this forum's signal to noise ratio right now?

Quote from: Dodger;553106So, you're arguing something that you, yourself, admit is stupid, dumb, faulty thinking and ignorant as hell.

I don't have to agree with something or believe it myself to understand why other people do.

What is with your hostility, bro?

Where are all the newbies coming from?  Did someone link to us on rpg.net or something? Or is it just that a bunch of you knew of this place but didn't think to take the plunge until now.

I really wish more people would actually figure out that they're better off posting here to begin with, rather than trying to continue hanging out over there when they undoubtedly know what the atmosphere there is like.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;553108Where are all the newbies coming from?  Did someone link to us on rpg.net or something? Or is it just that a bunch of you knew of this place but didn't think to take the plunge until now.

I saw a link to here in the long running popcorn inducing conversation that is this whole Desborough goon rush thing. Not on RPG.net, somewhere else, can't remember where off the top of my head. I hadn't heard of this place before then.

No idea why the other people are coming over now.

*Edit, fuck it, not worth it

Quote from: CRKrueger;553103I think anyone can agree these days that cops are going to investigate allegations of rape (unless it's from a prostitute in which case frequently NHI still applies), however, you're missing something here Dodger.  Supposedly the victim did not report the crime to the police.  Instead the Convention staff was alerted and they did nothing (or rather treated it as a joke).  So if the victim or the convention staff she told do not contact the police, what makes you think the police get involved to begin with?  They don't, and the crime goes unreported.

Well then, setting aside for the time-being the veracity of what you've described, let's think this scenario through.

A girl is raped at a convention. Does she:
(a) call the police, or
(b) report it to the convention staff?

If (b), do the convention staff:
(a) call the police, or
(b) treat it as a joke?

If (b), does the victim (upon realising that the convention staff aren't taking her seriously):
(a) call the police, or
(b) drop the matter and instead post about it in an online forum?

Three (b)s stretches credibility a bit far, don't you think?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;553107What is with your hostility, bro?

I dislike trolls.

@Dodger, it really is a stretch, no joke. I'm not going to argue with you there.

I think part of the problem though is the rape culture screeching harpies themselves though. They are the ones that yell so much about how "NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YOU AND THEY WILL ALL BLAME YOU" so the moment any one person conforms to this, the victim could suffer confirmation bias of what they've been told by "feminist"s and they could shut down and not talk about it anymore.

If people weren't constantly told no one would believe them by the people who are supposedly trying to help, maybe they would talk until they found someone who was sane.

EDIT: Wait, how am I a troll? Because I was trying to explain why some people believe stupid things? That sure is a low threshold for troll.

Quote from: Wolf, Richard;553102Good thread.  Good site.  Will visit again.

I got linked to RPGnet (which I was already aware of, but wasn't a regular reader) and the Desborough/Mongoose debacle and couldn't believe what I was seeing.  Then I found out that goons were involved and it all came together.

This is a typical goon rush.  SA used to be a very different kind of place.  It was much more an 'anything goes' humor forum once upon a time.  The batshit crazy cultural Marxists chased off all the creators of OC or anyone with a sense of humor (as has been pointed out time and again by comedians, humor is routed in transgression which is something SA can't tolerate being a bunch of overly politically correct dickwads).  Organizing such a thing is ostensibly banned, but the place has become so monocultural that posting a link over the latest outrage results in a goon rush.

You can see some of the ironic relic of the SA of old in Grognards.txt in them decrying the unacceptability of any and all rape jokes under any circumstances while their word filter simultaneously makes a rape joke by changing 'rape' into 'surprise sex'.

The same exact people who turned SA into a far-left hugbox and drove away content creators will do the exact same thing to RPGnet and anywhere else they get a foothold.  The TG subforum's own creative output is truly embarrassing:  http://shii.org/knows/Zybourne_Clock.  

Terms like 'goony' or 'goon fiction' are becoming memetic and goons easily identifiable to outsiders as the hugbox squeezes tighter every year and the bizarre, twisted view of the world that goons possess becomes more insulated from the reality that most of us inhabit.  People reading over at RPGnet can smell something ripe even though they aren't (or weren't) in the know about Somethingawful, or if they know about the site they know it by its' former reputation and not as the platform for political activism that it has become.

Welcome Richard. Is that okay to call you Rich, or do you prefer something else?

*Edit, fuck it, not worth it

Part of the problem is that we don't know squat about the circumstances of whatever happened at the conventions she went to that make her cry rape. It is very puzzling though that she would keep going back for more hurt after a couple of those awful experiences at worst.

There is always the possibility of a deeply stubborn take on this, limit masochistic in nature by saying "you know what? That horrible stuff happened to me, I am NOT going to let it stop me and I'm going to WIN over this, dammit", but it's honestly hard to believe it happened five times with her still even visiting gaming boards without fear of crossing paths online with her rapists. But you never know, right? I mean, it's a huuuge stretch, and quite twisted psychologically if that's the case, but there IS a possibility that is in fact exactly what's happening to her.

Quote from: Benoist;553119Welcome Richard. Is that okay to call you Rich, or do you prefer something else?

Thanks for the welcome, and I don't care what you call me.  That's not my real name.

For people expressing incredulity that MalaDicta has been raped frequently at cons, do keep in mind what I said earlier about pinning the accuser down on their definition of "rape".  One need not go as far as the "all heterosexual intercourse is rape" hyperbole to stretch the definition beyond all recognition.  Campus feminist organizations often define any form of undesired physical contact as "rape", up to an including entirely voluntary at the time sexual intercourse that upon reflection and morning sobriety turns out to have been a less than stellar choice. (Making no distinction between a frat boy slipping roofies to his date and a freshman tossing shots down her gullet her own self until she's humping anything insight is a common tactic).

When most people hear the word "rape" they think of violent forcible penetrative assault; organizations with agendas know this and deliberately redefine the word so they can get the kind of kneejerk emotional responses and support one would expect.  This, btw, is the source of that "1 in 4 women have been raped" propaganda tidbit she tried to use as moral suasion on Matt Sprange.

So, I'll amend my opinion of MalaDicta: I'll concede that it's entirely possible she's been "raped" more than once at a con, if we allow her to redefine the word "rape" to suit her agenda.

Sacrosanct: You have my sympathies.  I understand what you're going through.  Stay strong.

Quote from: RPGPundit;553108Where are all the newbies coming from?  Did someone link to us on rpg.net or something? Or is it just that a bunch of you knew of this place but didn't think to take the plunge until now.

I really wish more people would actually figure out that they're better off posting here to begin with, rather than trying to continue hanging out over there when they undoubtedly know what the atmosphere there is like.

RPGPundit

Well for my part I mostly lurk, and only part time. That being the case the mod situation over on TBP wasn't entirely clear to me. This whole situation over the past few days has really been eye opening. The mod agenda has been pretty blatant, particularly from Kai Tave, and that changes my view of what goes on over there. It makes me wonder what I've been missing due to mod intervention.

That's actually what I am suspecting Daniel: that she either defines rape in a way that is much broader than the forceful penetration (oral, vaginal, anal) we usually think of when using this word, or that her perception of physical contact with other human beings has been enormously damaged by some trauma which may very well have been actual rape some time prior to the point she sees assaults in circumstances we might not understand. Those are the two most likely possibilities I see, assuming she believes everything she's revealed so far.