Most Underrated old TSR Module

DestroyYouAlot · May 25, 2012, 09:16:14 AM

Quote from: Sigmund;542229Obviously I can't agree with inclusion of B1. What the author saw as a bug, I saw as a feature. Who gives a fuck what the pre-gen characters where called? Don't like the name? change it. Better yet, make your own character.

I back this as a guy who had a player name his PC "Rockballs", had another player go around convincing people that Rockballs was a god and that this player's PC was his cleric, and now there is a church of Rockballs in my Greyhawk.

Sigmund · May 25, 2012, 09:22:38 AM

Quote from: DestroyYouAlot;542233I back this as a guy who had a player name his PC "Rockballs", had another player go around convincing people that Rockballs was a god and that this player's PC was his cleric, and now there is a church of Rockballs in my Greyhawk.

Awesome

Some folks have to be all serious while playing pretend it seems, but I'm happy to not be one of them.

thedungeondelver · May 25, 2012, 10:43:48 AM

Quote from: FASERIP;542138For the sake of comparison, a list of the eight worst modules of all time:

1. N2 - Forest Oracle
2. S4 - Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth
3. WG7 - Castle Greyhawk
4. B1 - In Search of the Unknown
5. Tie: Entire Dragonlance Series
6. EX1 - Dungeonland; EX2 - Land beyond the Magic Mirror
7. WG9 - Gargoyle
8. D1 - Descent into the Depths of the Earth

Weird fucking list; I'm surprised they could get some obscure things right and some well known things so wrong (B1, S4, D1).

What kind of a mong puts S4, B1 and D1 on a "worst of" anything list.

So let's see...

The argument against B1 is that it's incomplete, despite that from the outset it says "for DMs to complete" so they can better learn to create their own stuff. So...meaningless criticism.

The argument against S4 is that it has funny names - did this person ever, ever play an RPG or read a sci-fi or fantasy, ever, prior to this?

And the argument against D1 is that "Drow shouldn't be black!" Oh and Asperdies (the "lich in a side-cave") is just "lying there". Yeah, let's ignore fantasy and the idea that the lich was there centuries prior to the Drow deciding to use the caves as a highway.

DestroyYouAlot · May 25, 2012, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: Sigmund;542235Awesome Some folks have to be all serious while playing pretend it seems, but I'm happy to not be one of them.

I'm all about simulation; since the world is a deeply silly place filled with deeply silly people, I try and represent this in my game.

Sacrosanct · May 25, 2012, 11:00:14 AM

I understand this borders on blasphemy, but I really don't like B1. Keep in mind that we never played B1 or actually read it until I was in my late teens in the late 80s. I don't have a problem with a lot of the dungeon being blank for the DM to fill in. But it's a real mess to read, as far as presentation goes. So unless you started with that module, it was not that great compared to what else became available in the few years after it's release.

thedungeondelver · May 25, 2012, 12:13:47 PM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;542259I understand this borders on blasphemy, but I really don't like B1. Keep in mind that we never played B1 or actually read it until I was in my late teens in the late 80s. I don't have a problem with a lot of the dungeon being blank for the DM to fill in. But it's a real mess to read, as far as presentation goes. So unless you started with that module, it was not that great compared to what else became available in the few years after it's release.

It's fine to not like B1. I'm not crazy at all about B1's maps for example. I prefer B2.

Benoist · May 25, 2012, 12:21:21 PM

I think B2 is honestly better than B1. It might just be a taste thing, because B1 is a good module too.

Benoist · May 25, 2012, 12:24:31 PM

Quote from: FASERIP;542138For the sake of comparison, a list of the eight worst modules of all time:

1. N2 - Forest Oracle
2. S4 - Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth
3. WG7 - Castle Greyhawk
4. B1 - In Search of the Unknown
5. Tie: Entire Dragonlance Series
6. EX1 - Dungeonland; EX2 - Land beyond the Magic Mirror
7. WG9 - Gargoyle
8. D1 - Descent into the Depths of the Earth

Weird fucking list; I'm surprised they could get some obscure things right and some well known things so wrong (B1, S4, D1).

LOL wut? B1, S4 and D1? What the fuck kind of list of worst modules is this? Motherfucker.

Sacrosanct · May 25, 2012, 12:35:47 PM

Quote from: Benoist;542288LOL wut? B1, S4 and D1? What the fuck kind of list of worst modules is this? Motherfucker.

Exactly, the list of worst D&D modules should be:

H1    Keep on the Shadowfell
H2    Thunderspire Labyrinth
H3    Pyramid of Shadows
P1    King of the Trollhaunt Warrens
P2    Demon Queen's Enclave
P3    Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress
E1    Death's Reach
E2    Kingdom of the Ghouls
E3    Prince of Undeath

Benoist · May 25, 2012, 12:38:42 PM

There should be some room left for WG7 though. That module is total shit.

thedungeondelver · May 25, 2012, 01:29:39 PM

Quote from: Benoist;542294There should be some room left for WG7 though. That module is total shit.

The entirety of the DL series.

Benoist · May 25, 2012, 01:43:14 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;542315The entirety of the DL series.

That too would be on my list, but we've had some fights recently about it so.. I didn't want to go there.

crkrueger · May 25, 2012, 02:41:56 PM

Quote from: FASERIP;542138For the sake of comparison, a list of the eight worst modules of all time:

1. N2 - Forest Oracle
2. S4 - Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth
3. WG7 - Castle Greyhawk
4. B1 - In Search of the Unknown
5. Tie: Entire Dragonlance Series
6. EX1 - Dungeonland; EX2 - Land beyond the Magic Mirror
7. WG9 - Gargoyle
8. D1 - Descent into the Depths of the Earth

Weird fucking list; I'm surprised they could get some obscure things right and some well known things so wrong (B1, S4, D1).

What a dumbfuck. What can you expect from a guy that doesn't know why Drow have black skin?

The Butcher · May 25, 2012, 03:32:55 PM

Quote from: Benoist;542327That too would be on my list, but we've had some fights recently about it so.. I didn't want to go there.

IIRC the fight was over whether the setting was salvageable. Everyone seemed to agree that, barring nostalgia (which I think most of us grogtards and pseudo-grogtards agree that it's an OK reason to like something), the modules themselves were shite on rails.

RPGPundit · May 26, 2012, 11:38:34 AM

Yeah sorry. Count me among those who liked B2 more than B1.

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