Quote from: Abyssal MawI say there is a difference between DIY enterprise and the classic pyramid scheme.  Just as there is a difference between SST and Slash records.. and Amway.

The forge is Amway.

How?  The Forge is charging fat franchising fees? :ponder:

No, the forge requires adherence, defense, and stealth promotion of the upper tiers of the pyramid before you can get your stuff in.

And there's no room for puppets in Amway.

Quote from: Abyssal MawNo, the forge requires adherence, defense, and stealth promotion of the upper tiers of the pyramid before you can get your stuff in.

You get that from Dr. Rotwang's retelling of a 2nd hand paraphrasing. What Dr.Rotwang said of course not actually say that at all.

Quote from: LancerCelebrity status? .....  Or is it infamy?

The only difference between fame and infamy is your opinion of the person. Over here we read that and say "Dude, WTF?" Over at the Forge the Ron supporters are patting their backs and pumping their fists (I assume, I don't go there).

And when you bolster the confidence of the Forgers, the terrorists win.

I got that from 8 years of context, Dwight. I ran out of cake in 2005. All I have left is icing.

Quote from: Abyssal MawI got that from 8 years of context...

.... and now you are seeing fucking snakes. "Well, there you have it."? Indeed, you've arrived at the point of fantasy becoming fact. So where along that 8 year line did you start scrambling to twist and grossly misinterpret any scrap of information to enforce your, in my opinion bizzaro, take that Forge=Amyway?

EDIT: BTW that is a rhetorical question. I expect you to be so far down the rabbit hole that you have no idea when you started.

Quote from: Abyssal MawWell, there you have it. The "indie" aesthetic was all a facade for a crass commercial backbone.

These schmucks have been trying to appropriate "punk" and DIY for their commercial enterprise/ponzi scheme for the last 8 years so I'm not surprised to hear it. It's such an obvious lie, I can't believe nobody else saw it.

Ummm...nobody? Haven't I said all along it's as much a  marketing thing as anything else? Shame on you

So, in other words......:

 No Tiefling  or Halfling puppets??


How about Beholders??


 mindflayers??



- Ed C.

A CORRECTION

Behold a comment on my blog:

QuoteHey - Chris Engle here. Have to put in a correction. It wasn't Ron Edwards who said selling puppets was unprofessional. Actually it was John Kim how said that. Ron's never commented on the puppets (in fact I think I've sold him one...)

I only got the non-professional comment recently when I was up dating my web page. John Kim was kind enough to update his link to my site for which I am appreciative. I don't take the comment at all personally, not everyone likes puppets

I will continue to work on being more professional in my game offerings but it is a second job for me. Social Work pays the rent!

Chris Engle
http://hamsterpress.net

Apologies and retractions all 'round.  No longer in Headscratchville.

Quote from: KoltarSo, in other words......:

 No Tiefling  or Halfling puppets??


How about Beholders??


 mindflayers??



- Ed C.

Ed - turns out you've had the best take on this entire conversation. Kudos.

aw snap...too late for rpglolbats then, i guess.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!A CORRECTION

Behold a comment on my blog:

Looks like Ada got a black ops team out to him to put a lid on this.  :tinfoil:

So, shouldn't this thread be called John Kim Vs My Friends .

Regards,
David R

Quote from: droogI believe Ron Edwards is available at sorcerer@sorcerer-rpg.com

We can't send puppets of protest to an e-mail address. What's his snail mail one?

Seanchai

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Apologies and retractions all 'round.

Eh, too bad. Only losers get a hate on for John Kim.

Seanchai