IMPORTANTE!  This thread was started due to a big misunderstanding on my part.  I'm leaving it up, though, so others can learn from it -- namely, "review your sources".  -- R!


NOTE: Cross-posted from my blog.

My wife ran into Chris Engle and Terri Klingelhoffer today. They're our friends.

Chris is a games designer. He's the creator of the Engle Matrix game system, a system of which I am most fond. It's very neat, very fun, very home-grown and arguably very well-liked.

Terri, his wife, is a puppeteer. She builds puppets which she sells and uses in her puppet shows. Her shows have a keen sense of humor and kids dig them. (On this one, you have to scroll down to "Salads, Goats and Rats".)

Together they have a little company called Hamster Press/Klingel-Engle Puppets. They usually get a booth at Gen Con, where they sell games and puppets. They do pretty well.

Well, my wife related to me a story that Chris and Terri told her today. Seems that, last Gen Con, Ron Edwards told them something.

He told them that, because they sell games and puppets, they are not professional enough.








I'll leave you to make your own call on that.

Because they sell games and puppets at the booth?

Apparently so, yes, Brett.

So lemme guess. Ron, Chris and Terri didn't exactly get together later for a beer and laughs, eh?

No, I believe they asked him to not be there anymore.

Of all the things I've seen attributed to Ron, good or bad, that doesn't sound like him. Perhaps it was taken out of context?

If anything, I'd say it was pretty entrepreneurial.

And not professional enough for what?

Not professional enough for what?

And do Chris and Terri care?

Digression: I still don't completely "get" Matrix games. They seemed kind of un-compelling to me until I ran across this page on the concept and these applications.

Why do people continue to give Ron Edwards this kind of recognition, and the pseudo-power that comes with it? Here's an idea: from here on out, instead of saying "Ron Edwards said . . ." try "Some jerk said . . ." You get the same ourage vented, but don't increase the man's "celebrity" status.

Celebrity status? .....  Or is it infamy?

Um, yeah, crossposted.

I've noticed that Chris Engle has participated at The Forge for a long time. In fact I thought of him as a "core" participant for a while, but now looking over there I see he hasn't posted since November. I thought he got along well with Ron but I suppose he's no longer useful for that weird social-commercial agenda.

I like Chris Engle (and his hats).  I always looked at his games at perhaps a medium between the murder mystery party and the RPG.  Just my take.

Quote from: James McMurrayWhy do people continue to give Ron Edwards this kind of recognition, and the pseudo-power that comes with it? Here's an idea: from here on out, instead of saying "Ron Edwards said . . ." try "Some jerk said . . ." You get the same ourage vented, but don't increase the man's "celebrity" status.

That's pretty much true of anyone :toast:

Quote from: Zachary The FirstI like Chris Engle (and his hats).  I always looked at his games at perhaps a medium between the murder mystery party and the RPG.  Just my take.

Same here. To me, his games are true Story Games.

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