The only reason he's here is to attack me, even moreso than any of the other Swine here. He'd never have joined the site if it wasn't for the fact that he was humiliated at being tonguelashed in a blog entry, and has started trolling my blog and this site as some bizzare kind of "revenge".

Its almost certain that all of his posts will simply involve attacking me, and possibly Jimbob whom he also appears to have a previous beef with, and trying to promote his Swine position.  On the other hand, the guy's positions are so unbelievably outrageous that I'm almost tempted to let him stay as proof of what the Swine's real motives are; clearly none of his fellow porkers have come to him yet and told him the game plan; you know, the one of not saying what they really believe in order to make people think that they don't actually despise normal roleplayers and want to ruin the hobby?

He gives the rest of the swine here such a bad rep that it might even be useful to have him around. He's the walking talking archetype of everything I've ever been saying about the Swine.

But, on the other other hand, he might be way more disruptive than its worth.

So I'm listening to advice here: what should I do with him? I'm not saying it gets to be put to a vote, but I want to know people's minds before I make my decision.

RPGPundit

Don't do anything. I can't read Lev's mind but I think you're overreacting based on misreading, and the fact that he won't back down about not seeing D&D as the ideal game for all situations. Which I doubt you think it is, either. Banning him would be a big mistake.

Dude, don't waste your time or energy. Just call a dork a dork and move on.

When someone starts asking theory-based questions to challenge the accusation that they wear theory-based goggles, you know they've lost it.

At least, that's what I got out of the blog exchange. I could be off.

All this is BS. You piss on this guy on your blog. You call folks Swine (hell I'm probably one of them, although I know fuck all about theory). You incite folks to post on his blog in suppoprt of your so-called war. And when he comes here looking for a fight - on a site that prides itself on freedom and all that shit - you consider banning him. You stir shit up and then complain when it hits the fan. Should he be banned ? No.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RAll this is BS. You piss on this guy on your blog. You call folks Swine (hell I'm probably one of them, although I know fuck all about theory). You incite folks to post on his blog in suppoprt of your so-called war. And when he comes here looking for a fight - on a site that prides itself on freedom and all that shit - you consider banning him. You stir shit up and then complain when it hits the fan. Should he be banned ? No.

Regards,
David R

I actually incited people to post on another blog that he was posting on, not his own.

In any case, this site is not going to be subverted by people who come here in utter bad faith, whether they are on a crusade for Swinedom, or a personal crusade to attack me.  If that's the ONLY reason he's here, and it appears to be (he certainly doesn't seem to share the mission statement's ideas about roleplaying or like the kinds of games that this site is supposed to encourage), then yes, I will certainly consider banning him.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditI actually incited people to post on another blog that he was posting on, not his own.

Sorry about that. My mistake.

QuoteIn any case, this site is not going to be subverted by people who come here in utter bad faith, whether they are on a crusade for Swinedom, or a personal crusade to attack me.  If that's the ONLY reason he's here, and it appears to be (he certainly doesn't seem to share the mission statement's ideas about roleplaying or like the kinds of games that this site is supposed to encourage), then yes, I will certainly consider banning him.

RPGPundit

It's your site, do whatever the hell you want with it. I suppose folks who are on your side of the fence will get better treatment than those who come here on a crusade for Swinedom, right?  

So let me get this straight, if someone comes here merely because they can't stand you and start shit up, they will get banned, right? I mean, this is going into the board's charter or whatever you call it, correct?

For years, you pulled shit like this on the various boards you frequented. Sometimes you had a point, sometimes you didn't. The one constant was that you were disruptive and insulting to most of the folks there. And you were banned. So, maybe you are correct. maybe you should ban Lev.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: RPGPunditThe only reason he's here is to attack me, even moreso than any of the other Swine here. He'd never have joined the site if it wasn't for the fact that he was humiliated at being tonguelashed in a blog entry, and has started trolling my blog and this site as some bizzare kind of "revenge".

Pundit, it's rarely as black or white as we might think. I've looked at Lev's comments and see no reason for him to be banned. He's responded to accusations that have proven false. You, Bob and a few others aren't coming off pretty from this so far. Banning him would be an indication that you refuse to lick your wounds and admit you are wrong. You should be apologizing for putting words in this dude's mouth earlier and instead, you're wondering if you should ban him. You're smarter than that.

Plus, his tastes in games are actually quite ecclectic and he's familiar (face to face) with at least two board members, which I see as a plus for the community. On top of that, he's done some work for a company, even if it's for a game I find horrible. That's also a plus for this community.

I think you should continue the great direction this website is taking and allow different viewpoints to be shared.

Don't become RPG.net the 2nd.

I'd say no. Unless he does something illegal and or freaking detrimental to the site as a whole (that means things like DOS attack, not simply being annoying.)

Do not be "that guy" we see too much of the "well your annoying me and I have power so goodbye" elsewhere. (As opposed to you know legitimate rules violations...)

This is your site and you can do what you want with it, but if you start banning folks just because you don't like their face, then this site becomes RPGNet.

Hate to say it, Pundit, but You REALLY jumped the shark suggesting this one.

Way to early to even think about banning him, given some of the characters we let walk around these parts and your own 'constitution'...

You know what I did when the "Why Are You On His Dick?" thread got started?

I looked at it, blew it off, and walked away.  Oh, I know the one dude told me he he had a bone to pick with me because I suck or I'm not wearing the right shoes or whatever but PFFFFFT.  I let my receding ass do the talking.

And now I feel like this:

Quote from: David RIt's your site, do whatever the hell you want with it. I suppose folks who are on your side of the fence will get better treatment than those who come here on a crusade for Swinedom, right?  

Well, duh. People who come here specifically to disrupt the stated purpose of these fora shouldn't expect to be mollycoddled.  I mean, if someone like me or Maw went to the Forge with the obvious explicit purpose of disrupting the site, how long would we be tolerated?

QuoteSo let me get this straight, if someone comes here merely because they can't stand you and start shit up, they will get banned, right?

Yes, absolutely. If that's the only reason they come here, there's no reason for them to be treated as though they're anything different from a spammer.
Note that this doesn't mean anything similar to "anyone who criticizes me will be banned"; anyone and everyone is free to criticize me up to and including  calling me an unclefucker if they want to, as long as they're also being a productive member of this site who's here with goodwill and shows that by participating in the threads (or starting ones of their own).

QuoteFor years, you pulled shit like this on the various boards you frequented. Sometimes you had a point, sometimes you didn't. The one constant was that you were disruptive and insulting to most of the folks there. And you were banned. So, maybe you are correct. maybe you should ban Lev.

No, I didn't pull shit like that. I never went to the Forge boards or the White Wolf boards, and troll them.  I respected that these places had a stated purpose that meant I had no business being there.

RPG.net, on the other hand, was supposed to be a place for free and open discussion of RPGs in general, and I was there doing that: ignoring the question of whether I was justifiably banned there or not; its nothing like someone coming here explicitly to try to fuck around with the stated purpose of this site.

RPGPundit

Quote from: O'BorgThis is your site and you can do what you want with it, but if you start banning folks just because you don't like their face, then this site becomes RPGNet.

That's not what I'm talking about here.  There's a LOT of people on here who's "face" I don't like, but they aren't under any consideration of being banned. Even James McM, who I felt at one point was intentionally hounding and baiting me, was NEVER under any threat of actually being banned.  Why? Because he, and all those other people, are also on here in good faith and contributing, talking about the subjects that correspond to this site.

In the end, whether or not I ban Lev will depend very much on what he does; some believe he won't hang around here long anyways, but if he does, it depends on whether he begins to contribute to the site like others have, or if he is only here to disrupt the site, and how much volume of that he does.

But I want to send an unequivocal message to the various Forgeites and Rogues out there who would otherwise never bother coming here, if it wasn't me running the place: if you come here only to try to piss all over the place, or me personally, you're not actually here in good faith, and you will be treated like any other kind of spammer, once it is determined and confirmed that this is what you're doing.

Otherwise, my concern would be that we'd soon have a dozen or more of these guys coming on here and turning this place into an unreadable wreck.

RPGPundit

This is a big test for you, dude.  

I haven't been here long enough, or have enough familiarity with the big beef you two have to bother offering an opinion.

But, it seems to me, this is where the true test is in the eating.

I mean, if the guy is only coming here to fuck with your biscuits, and disrupt this place and offer nothing else, my first reaction is "you are not adding anything here - go away".

On the other hand, you've billed this place as being free and open and a place to get your hands dirty, as well as "anti-every other gaming board".  

Its going to be a tough test.  I don't envy you at all.  Seems like this could be a defining moment of your administration and this new direction this board has taken.

Good luck.

Quote from: Hackmastergeneral... fuck with your biscuits ...

HA HA HA HA HA HA-- whup--!



Dangit.