Quote from: RedFoxI don't particularly care either way whether you ban the guy, but I'm glad you asked us (the userbase) for our opinion.

Yea, I always think that's important.
At least, the opinion of those who are here in good faith.

RPGPundit

Maybe I'm the paranoid one here, but I see the entire discussion of whether or not to ban someone as 'gateway' behavior into Mod-cliquishness and power tripping.  Lev is not in the 'in crowd' and he is 'disruptive' because he points it out... let's ban him, guys!   I'm doing it for the good of the group.


I could be paranoid.  Fact is Lev is a poster who has generated discussion...movement on the board if you will.  That is a good thing.  Hell, I'd rather have seen you slap modhammers on Serious Paul and company when they popped up with the 'attack everyone' troll thread.  I'm glad you didn't, but at least to me that one would have been 'okay behavior'.  

The fact that there are enough posters here defending Lev's right to post should indicate to you that this is a 'closed case' and he should be allowed to post, rather than dragging this out for another hundred posts... or just banning him because he's got your goat.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


If you want to keep the site free from posters picking on the Mods... don't respond to them once it degenerates into a shouting match.  Moderate by Not Egging Them On... Just a thought.

Quote from: SpikeIf you want to keep the site free from posters picking on the Mods... don't respond to them once it degenerates into a shouting match.  Moderate by Not Egging Them On... Just a thought.

Yup.  Hammocks, man!

Spike´s right. Lev has a right to speak his mind, it´s not a privilege granted by some almighty Baseball Bat wielder. The whole question is a bad move.
The time somebody gets the feeling he´s only here because it was "decided" he was cool enough or not bad enough is the time when all that is good about this site will have been lost.

Freedom of Speach guys!

Pundit, I want an apology for even suggesting to ban Lev.
Apologize to your deceased freedom-loving Fore-Masons if you will, but apologize you must!

You declared war on the guy. Is it any surprise he has responded? And with a certain amount of restraint, i would add.

It's not as though he has popped up in threads all over the site. He's kept his responses to your part of the site, which is where i thought you would want him to be. Or don't you want to give him the right of reply?

An apology?  Meh.  I think considering banning the guy was a poor move, but it's obvious this guy gets Pundit's goat.  He's on his hitlist, after all.

This is Pundit's site and I don't think it's appropriate to ask for some sort of public apology because Pundit dared to ask whether or not he should ban this guy he hates.

More importantly, he consulted the userbase.  I'm all for that.  The overwhelming majority of us said to keep him, and Pundit decided to kept him.  Possibly against his better judgement.

That's how a real community works, folks.

I will not be apologizing for consulting the userbase; nor will I apologize for being concerned about this site being invaded by, swamped by, and subverted by ill-intentioned Swine who don't actually give a shit about the real well-intentioned members of these forums or the people who actually care about the place.

People who do not come here in good faith with good intentions for this site do not have a "right" to be here, or to be treated the same as someone who's here with sincere good will.  That I'm tolerating his presence, and erring on the side of allowing him to keep on being here when I'm positive he has no good will for the site should be evidence enough of how much I care about free speech.

RPGPundit

Don´t get me wrong:
All Lev deserves is a rhetorical kick in the ass, as he is full of shit. No need to apologize to him.

Repent you must, for even thinking in the Mod-Mindset!
Atone for the the first step to fascism!

Solve the moral quandarie yourself, but don´t place yourself in the place of a reluctant martyr, free speech must be granted like a duck takes to water. Not some royal favor you grant or deny, as your mood sees fit.

The first reaction to any poster must always be: let him speak!

And not: "I´m just not banning you to show how cool and aloof I am." In my eyes, you don´t even have the right to ban anyone (Spambots obviously excluded).


You might have the ability, but no right whatsoever. Even thinking about it betrays the whole fabric of free speech. Repent!

There is no need for an apology esp to Lev. You asked for our opinion - which is a hell of a lot more than most other sites would do -you got it. The problem (if there ever was one) has been resolved.

I mean what is this ? therpgtherapysite. What next, posters demanding closure? Primal scream gaming. JimBoB becomes the Doctor Phil of therpgsite?

Regards,
David R

I demand an apology to free speech as a concept, not to some real people.

Quote from: SettembriniI demand an apology to free speech as a concept, not to some real people.

Oh come on, man.

QuoteOh come on, man.

I'll allow that Settembrini expresses it somewhat histrionically, but he has a certain point and it's the same one Spike made.

I wasn't going to post.  I rarely post in general anyway.

But I'm really torn on this.

I understand where Pundit is coming from in that someone who comes here to be a dick (small d) to the Pundit probably should be censured somehow.

But many of us come here to be a Dick (capital d) because we're allowed to.

It's a fine line that separates dickishness from Dickishness.  

I support everyone's right to be a Dick...and I think I'm against Lev's being banned because he's a dick.

If you're going to ban someone, have a better reason than you disagree with him, or you think he's here on a revenge kick.

As Jimbob said, he'll either contribute with rpg stuff, contribute with nox style rambling which is always good for a laugh, or get bored and disappear.

Failing all of that make me a mod and I'll abuse my position with glee and abandon. ( oh yeah, and I'll ban Lev - leaving your hands clean - nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

No, at least not yet. See if he sticks around and posts in general gaming threads or leaves. This site has a section devoted to Pundy's blog/rants afterall and lev was targeted by that silly declaration of war etc..

Personally I'd like to hear more on those Runequest campaigns. A link even, but in a new thread. While I'm at it I'd also like less (as in nothing) on this site on the war against the Swine.