Enough already !
 Yes - I'm guilty of that one particular necro - I  just thought the bagels stuff was funny.
At the time - I saw someone browsing the thread, when I was looking through the "who's on right now' feature.  I was in a silly mood and probably should have just gone to sleep when I did that.

 I've already rapped my keyboard fingers on that one.

- Ed C.

Don't worry about it. The necroing was a trigger because it made Pundit censor something shortly after saying that censorship doesn't happen here, but it would have happened eventually. For whatever reasons, me speaking against Pundit is disruptive, even though I've never stirred up shit storms like he does on a regular basis. If it hadn't been now, my "seditionist" ways and "agenda to destroy this site" would have been "uncovered," "proven," and "dealt with" some other day.

Quote from: James McMurrayIt's difficult to say to a new user that you're running a place where people don't get banned for speaking out against the big boss, and then the very next day you topic ban someone for speaking out against the big boss. "

In other words, he didn't ban you.

Seanchai

True, but give it time. Assuming he doesn't stop acting like an ass, I almost certainly won't stop pointing out when he's being an ass, and eventually it'll be "too disruptive" despite there being a heck of a lot more people than me speaking against him.

He also told Serious Paul that there was no censorship here, and the very next day censored a post. His vision and his reality are out of whack.

QuoteI am discouraged. I sense an undercurrent of discontent with some users and I don't know what to do about it. Lots of people seem to enjoy the environment that Pundit has created, but at the first sign that Pundit is trying to keep the place on course he usually gets dogpiled. I lack the wisdom to resolve the conflict.

Oh horseshit.  He takes flack because despite his big talk about "free speech" and "censorship", the moment anyone criticizes him or his vews, he starts spouting paranoid rantings about "enemy action" and "conspiracies", and tossing out ban threats like they were candy.

You may be naive enough to ignore that and pretend that it isn't going anywhere, but I'm not, and shit like his behavior towards James is a spectacular example of the fact that it's only a matter of time before he starts backing up those threats at his own whims.

And you yourself have admitted that he takes the final call on everything, he's the guy in charge, and there's fuck all anyone else has to do with it.  so yeah, I get a bit nervous when he plays the tinpot dictator, and then has the audacity to expect his targets to take it with a fucking smile.  

Do you really fucking think that attacking everyone who disagrees with him with accusations of conspiracy and threats of banning is really keeping the place on any kind of course worth following?  Honestly?

Because I've generally seen you as a pretty reasonable individual, but you're really forcing me to reconsider my opinion of you here.

I think Pundit is showing his double face really bad here.  James did not 'invite' Nox back here, he asked how to get ahold of him and even stated why when asked.  Pundit sees shit and doesn't read what they actually wrote.  Top that off with his over the top attitude, gaming 'war' crap and everything else and it's only a matter of time before he starts running everybody off.

You'll live James.  Just don't carry this over into the proper forum. The temptation will be strong, but it'll acheive nothing. If you really do like this place (pundit notwithstanding) then disrupting the RPG forum will just fuck things up. On a similar note, Pundit, you have your own forum to rant and rave. Why not keep the rants there and talk like a nice, normal person on the RPG forum? That way, you'd get far less flak. As it's going at the moment, you're getting yourself an anti-fanclub, which is starting to get disruptive. This seems to be against your nature though. How about arguing in a measured way when you're railing against 'the swine' instead of the histrionics? There's a fine line between acting up and stirring controversy to get more readers/posters and actually running them out of town. Time perhaps, to think about plan A plus?

I'm more curious about how many of these discussions are just Pundit's own accounts, himself arguing with himself. I mean we all know he isn't who he is saying he is right? I mean his whole Pundit personality is just a put on, an act. He is no more the RPG Pundit in real life than he is any of the other accounts he is almost certainly running here.

Quote from: Serious PaulI'm more curious about how many of these discussions are just Pundit's own accounts, himself arguing with himself. I mean we all know he isn't who he is saying he is right? I mean his whole Pundit personality is just a put on, an act. He is no more the RPG Pundit in real life than he is any of the other accounts he is almost certainly running here.

Now look who's being paranoid . . .

Way to torpedo your own credibility there, sport.

Quote from: J ArcaneNow look who's being paranoid . . .

I'm not paranoid, it's at least partially true. I may be wrong on a few details, but I can tell you for a fact that RPG Pundit is a persona, not a person.

QuoteWay to torpedo your own credibility there, sport.

I've never been worried about that. Time will prove me correct.

You're being an idiot, Paul. I have precisely ONE account on here, this one.

RPGPundit

McMurray did not start a thread inviting Nox back into the Off-Topic forum, he started a thread asking if anyone knew how to get in touch with him so he could discuss some rpg-related stuff with him. That's entirely within the general purpose of this place.

The Off Topic subforum ban for McMurray is unnecessary and wrong. He does have the annoying habit of carrying a grudge about RPGPundit, but vice versa, so it comes out even. See, most of the posters here are sensible, we can call someone a cocksmock in one thread and agree with them in another. But certain posters - James McMurray, RPGPundit, J_Arcane, and a few others - just can't let shit go.

Both McMurray and RPGPundit need to grow the fuck up, drop grudges, and focus on talking about roleplaying stuff on these forums. McMurray should not be prevented from seeing or posting to the Off Topic subforum.

Quote from: J ArcaneOh horseshit.  He takes flack because despite his big talk about "free speech" and "censorship", the moment anyone criticizes him or his vews, he starts spouting paranoid rantings about "enemy action" and "conspiracies", and tossing out ban threats like they were candy.

You may be naive enough to ignore that and pretend that it isn't going anywhere, but I'm not, and shit like his behavior towards James is a spectacular example of the fact that it's only a matter of time before he starts backing up those threats at his own whims.

I don't think I'm being naive about anything.  My comment was not meant to impy that Pundit is some kind of misunderstood saint.  Clearly his actions and his rhetoric do not always match up.  What discourages me is the number of people who take the bait and try to argue a point with him.  I can't be the only guy here who has notices that the man NEVER backs down.  But a lot of people seem more interested in scoring points off of Pundit rather than simply enjoying the rest of the site.  James seems to be one of those people.  If we all went back to talking about RPGs instead of endless rhetorical throwdowns I think the site would be a lot better.

QuoteAnd you yourself have admitted that he takes the final call on everything, he's the guy in charge, and there's fuck all anyone else has to do with it.  so yeah, I get a bit nervous when he plays the tinpot dictator, and then has the audacity to expect his targets to take it with a fucking smile.  

Do you really fucking think that attacking everyone who disagrees with him with accusations of conspiracy and threats of banning is really keeping the place on any kind of course worth following?  Honestly?

Because I've generally seen you as a pretty reasonable individual, but you're really forcing me to reconsider my opinion of you here.

I know Pundit has an over the top online personality, but you really are overstating your case.  He seems to see swine under every bed, but he most certainly does not threaten to ban everyone who disagrees with him.  In the nine months or so the board has been open the admins have discussed the possibility of banning exactly two users.  Neither of which were outright banned and both of which were sanctioned after lengthy debate.  Does that really sound to you like a man rushing out to ban people?

I have to go get ready for work now.  No doubt there'll be more fuel on this fire when I get back online.

I may be new to this place, and I have only skimmed through James' posts, but what I see here worrys me.

I was attracted to theRPGsite because of the no-censoring no-arbitrary-mod-decisions no-forced-opinion-cuddling-for-the-sake-of-community policy, which is a welcome change to the other English and German RPG boards. To see that someone's access to a channel gets restricted because a single sysop is pissed off runs absolutely counter to this policy, and I have to think hard if I stay here or not. The actual and current discussions aren't much more worthwile than on any sane board else, but what fascinates me is the potential for fruitful discourse in such an no-holds-barred environment. If this potential vanishes because of the mood of "the invisible discussions of the powers that be", I see no convincing reason to take the language barrier and discuss here. If all what I wanted was controlled discourse under the supervision of an almighty community protector, I could have stayed in Germany.


In addition, I have to agree on JimBobs (and others) interpretation of the Nox thread. It sounded more than a contact-seeking than a re-invitation.

How does subject banning help in any way?

Please, tell me how in any way did James interfere with the RPG talk on this board?

So, if RPG talk wasn´t concerned, there need to be no action.