Quote from: Kyle Aaron;289348You create a super-tough-and-manly persona, working hard to stay anonymous -

And doing a piss poor job at that! :teehee:

Quote from: James J Skach;289392And doing a piss poor job at that! :teehee:

About as poor as some do at running a forum.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;289395About as poor as some do at running a forum.

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Fortunately for me, I don't wrap my existence up in it. It's a hobby, after all.

But you keep on with your bad self. As others have pointed out, you're quite amusing.

And you know that's coming from someone who totally agrees with you that GNS and Forge Theory is shit. I have from the beginning - see my first thread questioning the need for the term "Conflict Resolution." I just don't let that blind me to the fact that those games are RPG's.

you're setting yourself up for failure, IMHO, with this continued need to control that area of discussion. I'm disappointed that you don't have enough trust in the people here to respond adequately to that kind of "theory" discussion with cogent and devastating skill or to discuss mechanics without getting into the silly theory behind it.

And get out from behind your mask. Prove yourself better than that...

Just my two cents.

The problem isn't that. The problem is that if the Forgies are allowed to bring up theory in the main forum, they will bring it up ALL THE TIME; EVERYWHERE.  It is their standard operating procedure:

1. Fill the forum with users brought in from Storygames, Forget, etc.
2. turn the subject of every thread to include mention of either Forge Games or GNS theory. Recommend Dogs in the Vinyard for everything, talk about how certain problems can be solved by determining what the "agenda" is, etc etc.
3. Talk about GNS theory as if everyone was already accepting it to be proven, true, correct and useful.
4. At this point, the site is basically another extension of the Forge agenda.
5. However, if resistance is encountered, engage in conflicts at every turn, trying to make the other side seem like the disruptive ones as often as possible. Claim that the Forge doesn't look down on regular gamers, doesn't think anyone is brain damaged, fake offense and beg for moderator protection against "attacks" of people who are "hating for no reason". Call for an "emotionally safe environment".
6. Propose and promote your own people for moderator roles.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;289371This thread isn't about me. Its about how much others value free speech here.

Bullshit.  We value it just fine, or we wouldn't be here.

QuoteThe complaint was that no one seemed too interested in clarifying the fact that there is a VAST GULF of difference between me and an rpg.net mod or Ron Edwards in terms of how this site is run and how free speech is tolerated, which leads me to wonder if anyone even cares about that here.

No one gives two shits about Ron Edwards.  If you want to claim that victory, have at it, but the Forge hasn't been relevant since about ten minutes after their domain went up.  Let it go.  If they want to chat about twat dripping Forge theories over in Role Playing, let them have their fun.  When the rest of us get tired of it, we will join in, ridicule them to tears, and we can have some quiet in which to fight about how stupid 4e is.

QuoteDavid R's compared me to Grand Moff Tarkin, implying that I was tyranically ruling this site with fear and an iron grip.
Peteramthor said I'm "RPGnet moderator material".

I dig David R, and I don't think I have any problems with Peter either, but why do you care what they think?  Two guys out of a couple thousand.  They are torqued about something and sounded off like the rest of us pig-headed assholes around here.  The triumph is that pig-headed assholes like us can sound off all day long.  You want your defence for the free speech policies around here?  We continue to use it every fucking day.

QuoteThey know that what they're doing has about as much to do (or less) as what RPGs had to do with Wargames.

Make a wargame forum, make a non-trad RPG forum.  Done.  Let people bitch and moan about how they are ghettoised in there like tBP, all the while ignoring the irony that they can talk about Storygames and Forge games on Storygames and the Forge

Which is really what it boils down to.  There are places to talk about Forge games.  Of course, there is one central place where people can talk about Forge games to their heart's content.  theRPGsite is not in either of those lists.  Don't like it?  Plenty of places to start free forums out there, and getting your own domain isn't an economically crippling proposition anyway.  While vBulletin isn't free, phpBB is, as well as MyBB and a number of others.

Quote from: James J Skach;289397And get out from behind your mask. Prove yourself better than that...

Better than what? The fuckers who hate me so much that they spend ALL DAY pursuing and harrassing me here and on the blog, so that they can start trying to "teach me a lesson" in my personal or work life or go after my friends or loved ones?

What the fuck for?!

This is stupid fucking Swine thinking: "we shouldn't use stupid nicknames here, we should be SERIOUS and address each other by our first names, online IDs are childish and unintellectual".  What a load of crap.

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Yeah, as someone who has personally been harassed elsewhere on the web for comments made on this very fucking site, I can't say as I see any reason why I or anyone else should be expected to just share personally identifiable information for all the fucking world to see.  

Fuck that shit, you want to be flippant about your personal info, by all means, go right the fuck ahead, but don't you fucking dare presume to judge anyone else for not stooping to such carelessness.

Its part of the expectation that I should open myself up to be the fucking punching bag of those who cannot defeat me in the actual arena of ideas. So they dedicate themselves to character assassination and harassment, hoping that if they repeat things like "the RPGpundit is no different than an RPGnet mod" often enough, it'll become true, and if they insult and attack me often enough maybe i'll just become miserable enough to stop wanting to fight to defend gaming from the likes of them.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;289401The problem isn't that. The problem is that if the Forgies are allowed to bring up theory in the main forum, they will bring it up ALL THE TIME; EVERYWHERE.  It is their standard operating procedure:

And we know that, don't we? I mean, no small thanks to you, we are all well aware and can call them on it, no? But you don't seem to trust the people here to do that, apparently. No skin off my nose, but your hanlding the situation is...less than stellar, IMHO.

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894011. Fill the forum with users brought in from Storygames, Forget, etc.

Yay! More users!

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894012. turn the subject of every thread to include mention of either Forge Games or GNS theory. Recommend Dogs in the Vinyard for everything, talk about how certain problems can be solved by determining what the "agenda" is, etc etc.

Unless, of course, we call them on the bullshit when it rears it's ugly head.

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894013. Talk about GNS theory as if everyone was already accepting it to be proven, true, correct and useful.

Unless, of course, we call them on the bullshit when they try.

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894014. At this point, the site is basically another extension of the Forge agenda.

Only if we let it happen by not calling them on it - whcih, apparently, you think will happen.

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894015. However, if resistance is encountered, engage in conflicts at every turn, trying to make the other side seem like the disruptive ones as often as possible. Claim that the Forge doesn't look down on regular gamers, doesn't think anyone is brain damaged, fake offense and beg for moderator protection against "attacks" of people who are "hating for no reason". Call for an "emotionally safe environment".

That's already happened here no matter how much control you've attempted. And what happened? We called them on it and they withdrew.

Quote from: RPGPundit;2894016. Propose and promote your own people for moderator roles.

And how would this ever happen since you own the ficking site!


No, for some reason you've decided that in this case, you need to protect us from ourselves. That's not a good sign...

If I saw the job being done more often, then I'd feel a lot less worried. But sadly, people tend to seem to want to leave it to me to fight the battle.

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Quote from: J Arcane;289408Yeah, as someone who has personally been harassed elsewhere on the web for comments made on this very fucking site, I can't say as I see any reason why I or anyone else should be expected to just share personally identifiable information for all the fucking world to see.  

Fuck that shit, you want to be flippant about your personal info, by all means, go right the fuck ahead, but don't you fucking dare presume to judge anyone else for not stooping to such carelessness.

Flippant about my name? Carelessness? I don't think so. It's a conscious decision. Ask Pundy - I even requested my first username to be changed after I thought about it.

When Jackalope shows up to throw shit on me, I'll let you know. Otherwise, I find the personal nature breaks down barriers. I've got little to nothing to hide. Internet Harassment is the least of my worries - no offense.

And just for the record, I'll dare to presume to judge whomever I want. They can take or leave the judgment as they see fit. Unless, of course, this site has now taken to presume to tell me when I can and can't judge peoples' actions...

Quote from: RPGPundit;289411If I saw the job being done more often, then I'd feel a lot less worried. But sadly, people tend to seem to want to leave it to me to fight the battle.

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Name them, Pundit. Just because some of us disagree with your movement of Bill's thread - a thread with almost no hint, if any, of ideological theory crap and with lots of talk of mechanics - doesn't mean it's time to give up the ship. there's more ideological battling going on in any one 4e thread, hell on post, than was in that thread.

But this is good for clearing the air. It's obvious that there are those here, apparently even myself included, who aren't pure enough in thought and action for you. That's good to know.

Again, that's your decision, and only your decision, to make.  But there's not one damn thing wrong with wanting a little privacy, to suggest otherwise is absurd, and pretty much against everything I stand for.  You're basically demanding that someone else surrender their personal rights for what?  To prove a point of a fuckign message board?

Fuck that noise, and shame on you and everyone else who's played that card.

Quote from: RPGPundit;289409Its part of the expectation that I should open myself up to be the fucking punching bag of those who cannot defeat me in the actual arena of ideas. So they dedicate themselves to character assassination and harassment, hoping that if they repeat things like "the RPGpundit is no different than an RPGnet mod" often enough, it'll become true, and if they insult and attack me often enough maybe i'll just become miserable enough to stop wanting to fight to defend gaming from the likes of them.

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None of their yapping makes it more apparent than your own words. Hugo Chavez would be proud...

Viva la Revolution...or something!

Quote from: J Arcane;289415Again, that's your decision, and only your decision, to make.  But there's not one damn thing wrong with wanting a little privacy, to suggest otherwise is absurd, and pretty much against everything I stand for.  You're basically demanding that someone else surrender their personal rights for what?  To prove a point of a fuckign message board?

Fuck that noise, and shame on you and everyone else who's played that card.

As far as I know, J, I'm the only one who said it. And you can "shame on me" all you want. It's got little to no impact. It's not about proving a point on a message board. I'm not against him wanting privacy. But that ship sailed some time ago for him. I'm sorry if it's against everything you stand for. We will agree to disagree, I suppose.

Quote from: shalvayez;289280Now, the asslickers over at RPGnet look over here, and LAUGH, because they see what a trainwreck this place can be, due to douchenozzles like CavScout.

Fact is, I've seen worse trainwrecks in rpg.net than here, such as that guy who claimed he enjoyed having sex with his dog. Rpg.net has more of everything than this site, more posters, more moderation, more trainwrecks, more assholes, etc.