RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[jhkim]

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

I'm sure many wealthy parents pay the right people for "better odds."  These schemes always involve a lot of backroom deals.  It's like how rent control just means giving highly coveted apartments to relatives or friends of politicians.

As oggsmash says, wealthy parents just send their kids to private schools. I don't have experience with the SF school lottery, but I know that in my district, there are lotteries for admission to the popular local charter schools.

I'm sure there are plenty of criticisms of how SF implemented their lottery. They revised their system earlier this year in response to problems.

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

[Thor's Nads]

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

These successful schools will have the funds to expand and grow and take more students, other schools will be forced to emulate them.

School choice will increase the quality of all schools as they will have to compete and improve. Our current system is broken.

[jhkim]

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

These successful schools will have the funds to expand and grow and take more students, other schools will be forced to emulate them.

School choice will increase the quality of all schools as they will have to compete and improve. Our current system is broken.

School choice is pretty widespread by now among most states - including among traditional district schools as well as charter schools. In addition to choice among regular district schools, there are nearly 8000 charter schools now, which almost all run by choice. And they are improving.

From the CREDO study released earlier this year, charter schools have shown improvement over the past twenty years - going from below average to slightly above average (+0.4 percentile in math and +1.0 percentile in reading).

But schools can't simply arbitrarily grow and shrink - it takes years to buy new land and/or build new classrooms, and by the time that happens, the public preferences may have changed. There will always be a difference between what parents prefer and what current school capacity is.

[Thor's Nads]

But schools can't simply arbitrarily grow and shrink - it takes years to buy new land and/or build new classrooms, and by the time that happens, the public preferences may have changed. There will always be a difference between what parents prefer and what current school capacity is.

This mindset in the US that a solution must be immediate, instead of building for the future, is a recipe for disaster. We must plant trees and build cathedrals that we will not see in our lifetime, but our grandchildren will benefit from.

We must fix the education system, and school choice is clearly the most successful model for the long term. Public education is a disaster.

[Scooter]

But schools can't simply arbitrarily grow and shrink - it takes years to buy new land and/or build new classrooms, and by the time that happens, the public preferences may have changed. There will always be a difference between what parents prefer and what current school capacity is.

This mindset in the US that a solution must be immediate, instead of building for the future, is a recipe for disaster. We must plant trees and build cathedrals that we will not see in our lifetime, but our grandchildren will benefit from.

We must fix the education system, and school choice is clearly the most successful model for the long term. Public education is a disaster.

Yes, gov't controlled schools must be eliminated immediately.

[RPGPundit]

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

I'm sure many wealthy parents pay the right people for "better odds."  These schemes always involve a lot of backroom deals.  It's like how rent control just means giving highly coveted apartments to relatives or friends of politicians.

As oggsmash says, wealthy parents just send their kids to private schools. I don't have experience with the SF school lottery, but I know that in my district, there are lotteries for admission to the popular local charter schools.

I'm sure there are plenty of criticisms of how SF implemented their lottery. They revised their system earlier this year in response to problems.

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

That's because California doesn't have TRUE school choice (as in, vouchers). You're still stuck sending your kids to a school controlled by the appalling californian government.

[RPGPundit]

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

These successful schools will have the funds to expand and grow and take more students, other schools will be forced to emulate them.

School choice will increase the quality of all schools as they will have to compete and improve. Our current system is broken.

School choice is pretty widespread by now among most states - including among traditional district schools as well as charter schools. In addition to choice among regular district schools, there are nearly 8000 charter schools now, which almost all run by choice. And they are improving.

That's not real choice. Real choice is where the Parent gets the money, and can then apply it anywhere he wants, including to homeschool, podschool, religious schooling or other forms of education that are not controlled by the government, communist unions, and degenerate groomers.

[RPGPundit]

But schools can't simply arbitrarily grow and shrink - it takes years to buy new land and/or build new classrooms, and by the time that happens, the public preferences may have changed. There will always be a difference between what parents prefer and what current school capacity is.

This mindset in the US that a solution must be immediate, instead of building for the future, is a recipe for disaster. We must plant trees and build cathedrals that we will not see in our lifetime, but our grandchildren will benefit from.

We must fix the education system, and school choice is clearly the most successful model for the long term. Public education is a disaster.

Yes, gov't controlled schools must be eliminated immediately.

Agreed.

[GeekyBugle]

However, having a lottery of some sort is the obvious result of school choice. A lot of people try to get their kid into the same school, and the result is that there are more applicants than there are available openings at that school. It is a necessity that "school choice" can't result in parents getting the school they want, because many parents will want the same school.

These successful schools will have the funds to expand and grow and take more students, other schools will be forced to emulate them.

School choice will increase the quality of all schools as they will have to compete and improve. Our current system is broken.

School choice is pretty widespread by now among most states - including among traditional district schools as well as charter schools. In addition to choice among regular district schools, there are nearly 8000 charter schools now, which almost all run by choice. And they are improving.

That's not real choice. Real choice is where the Parent gets the money, and can then apply it anywhere he wants, including to homeschool, podschool, religious schooling or other forms of education that are not controlled by the government, communist unions, and degenerate groomers.

Besides (if Jhkim numbers are right) that's a whooping 160 charter schools per state (assuming an even distribution between the states). In 2021 there were a measly 67,408 public elementary schools in the USA.

[Dropbear]

Ok, this has nothing to do with TBP, other than it is a window into the madness that is Woke thinking.

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

So, this madness leads to kids being bussed all around San Francisco. You could live in the Outer Sunset and your kid has to be on a bus for 2 hours to go to the inner city or Mission Bay (the worst part of SF). All the parents hope is for a good lottery pull. How they reconcile this with environmentalism, I don't know, understanding cognitive dissonance in the brains of the Woke is beyond me.

This is their definition of "fairness".

Crap I must have missed something. No more TBP madness and a subject matter change? Lol.

Probably not much to report anyways on that front anyway.

[Mordred Pendragon]

RPGnet is a cesspit.

Also, water is wet and the sky is blue

[Ghostmaker]

Honestly, I've gotten tired of looking at TBP. Same shit, day after day; pompous declarations from staff, and posters getting banned for increasingly innocuous shit that wouldn't garner more than a raised eyebrow on a sane forum.

It's all so tiresome.

[I]

Watching parts of Biden's disastrous speech in Vietnam, I was thinking of how many times he would've been banned at TPB.  He used the terms "Indians," "Third World," and repeatedly referenced John Wayne.

[jhkim]

These successful schools will have the funds to expand and grow and take more students, other schools will be forced to emulate them.

School choice will increase the quality of all schools as they will have to compete and improve. Our current system is broken.

School choice is pretty widespread by now among most states - including among traditional district schools as well as charter schools. In addition to choice among regular district schools, there are nearly 8000 charter schools now, which almost all run by choice. And they are improving.

That's not real choice. Real choice is where the Parent gets the money, and can then apply it anywhere he wants, including to homeschool, podschool, religious schooling or other forms of education that are not controlled by the government, communist unions, and degenerate groomers.

Besides (if Jhkim numbers are right) that's a whooping 160 charter schools per state (assuming an even distribution between the states). In 2021 there were a measly 67,408 public elementary schools in the USA.

It's still the best time for school choice in the history of our country. There are vastly more options now than in the 1970s when I started school. Back then, it was generally illegal to home-school your kids -- and almost no choice within the public school system.

Now we have growing movements of choice on several fronts. To Pundit's point, there are now 10 states that have offered voucher programs that can be applied towards private schools, and much more support for home-schooling in many states. Charter schools are continuing to expand.

Could it be better? Absolutely. But school choice of all kinds has been making steady progress.

[oggsmash]

School choice is much better now than the 70's because public schools are MUCH worse now than they were then.  It was allow some choice or end up causing riots.  Politicians did what they always do...whatever was easiest/most convenient in the moment.