RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[Dan Davenport]

I beg to differ. My chatroom, Randomworlds (see link in sig), has been a nice place where non-political mods ensure people stay polite using common sense dictates for over two decades.

Cool. Joined.

Nice! What nick are you using?

[rytrasmi]

Gort

[Grognard GM]

I know, you don't want a safe space, you just want a nice place, where non-political mods ensure people stay polite, by using common sense dictates. The place you want was RPGnet in the past, and it always, inevitably becomes RPGnet today.

I beg to differ. My chatroom, Randomworlds (see link in sig), has been a nice place where non-political mods ensure people stay polite using common sense dictates for over two decades.

Even if I believed a random stranger on the internet, your personal idea of what words like 'nice,' 'polite,' and 'common sense' could vary wildly from mine.

What you actually mean is you have a place you've terraformed to feel good to you. Which is fine, but don't delude yourself that you have some universally accepted morals or tastes.

[Dan Davenport]

I beg to differ. My chatroom, Randomworlds (see link in sig), has been a nice place where non-political mods ensure people stay polite using common sense dictates for over two decades.

Even if I believed a random stranger on the internet, your personal idea of what words like 'nice,' 'polite,' and 'common sense' could vary wildly from mine.

What you actually mean is you have a place you've terraformed to feel good to you. Which is fine, but don't delude yourself that you have some universally accepted morals or tastes.

• I'm not basing it on my own observation, but rather on the observations of many, many individuals who've visited us. But you're quite right: No place is perfect, nor is any place for everyone. I heartily invite you to check it out for yourself!
• I didn't make the place in its current form all on my own. I've always had a number of ops from all across the political spectrum who've provided invaluable input over the years.

[Thor's Nads]

That's because true conservatism is about preserving values; if you believe your values are mutable, then you really don't have any in the first place.

True conservatism isn't about worshipping the ashes of the past, put preserving the flame for future generations.

[Ghostmaker]

And TBP is about preserving insanity and incoherence.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dirk-desiato-infracted-thirty-day-ban-see-redtext.912164/

Notable: this comes from the generic RPG Admins account, not any single one.

Also notable: the redtext screed is deranged as fuck. Let's dust for prints.

The presumption of innocence is for the court of law, not for protecting the reputations of the powerful.

Getting off to a running start here. Anyone here think they're still feeling butthurt after a couple passes in the legal jousting arena by Zak S or Alex Macris?

Standards of innocence and guilt exist to prevent lynchings, show trials, and other abuses of the often monstrous power of the state. They don't exist to prevent private individuals from having opinions.

Except that as we've seen, private individuals have used their 'opinions' (often stated as facts) to blatantly defame people.

Canadian lawyer Michael Spratt argues that attempting to make legal presumption of innocence into an extralegal imperative diminishes it as a legal right, as much a danger to civil liberties as the creep of state power undermining it in the courtroom.

One, I don't give a fuck what some Canuckistan lawyer says, and two, equating the presumption of innocence with statist authoritarianism is retarded.

Because of social mores, historical precedent, and the nuances of the law, most rapists never face legal consequences of any sort. Insisting that even the most obvious pattern of predatory behavior must be ignored absent a legal conviction is extremely frustrating for everyone else. It's especially unpleasant for rape survivors. They're called liars to their faces because legal systems around the world don't deliver the justice they promise.

Translation: 'We think it should be legal to mistreat people for unproven allegations.'

Some of the most infamous serial predators were only unmasked late in their lives or after their deaths, long after any conviction was likely or even possible. Jimmy Saville, host of Jim'll Fix It, wasn't exposed until after his death.

I'm a bit surprised they went there. Saville's crimes were enabled by his powerful, elite friends, after all -- much like Jeffrey Epstein.

The subject is complicated. False or mistaken allegations do happen. But social bias disproportionately and overwhelmingly tends to dismiss true allegations as malicious falsehoods or mistaken more often than the reverse, especially in the case of powerful and famous individuals.

They come so close to admitting there's a problem here on both sides -- the degeneracy of the neo-aristocratic elites, and the contemptible false charges that get slung around. But they just can't make the cognitive jump.

In this case specifically, multiple survivors have and are continuing to come forth with similar stories about a celebrity who was in a position of power over them. The individual in question is not going to be imprisoned or otherwise punished by government officials without a trial proving guilt, so there's absolutely no need for you to even bring up the legal standard.

Multiple zeroes are still zero. There were multiple witnesses that testified at the Salem witch trials, too -- does that make them legitimate?

We get that you're doubting the accusations, but you're misrepresenting the legal system. You're invoking the "rule of law," but, in the countries in question, the law doesn't prohibit accusations or manage public opinion.

This is unintentionally hilarious as Germany actually does manage public opinion and does not have true freedom of speech.

"Rule of Law" doesn't mean not to believe survivors. In fact, somebody has to -- that's how indictments happen.

And no law nor principle demands that you speak up in defense of a credibly accused serial rapist. You imply that it's unfair of others to believe the accusers. Nobody here is calling for him to be jailed without trial. It's extremely disingenuous for you to pretend that mere criticism is equivalent to that.

Celebrities credibly accused of sexual predation have money, lawyers, and often PR firms. This man has no shortage of resources to fight back. There's no need to appoint yourself Devil's Advocate.

Dirk's statement was that he wanted Till Lindemann to have his day in court. It is painfully clear that TBP admins would prefer the man be lynched.

How progressive of them.

[Scooter]

It's been a few years since I was banned from RPG.net for disagreeing with some Mod's opinion of some game. If I still had an account though,

"We've added a new feature on the forums: Pride flags for a variety of queer identities!

You can add flags to your posts by going to your Account Details page.

If you'd like us to add a flag we don't currently have, let us know in the forum thread where we're collecting feedback."

I'd suggest adding a Straight Pride flag to the mix.   

[Stephen Tannhauser]

Dirk's statement was that he wanted Till Lindemann to have his day in court. It is painfully clear that TBP admins would prefer the man be lynched.

Oh, let's be fair, they didn't actually demand that Lindemann get lynched. All they're demanding is that nobody be allowed to argue on a TBP forum that he shouldn't be. Big difference. [/sarc]

[Abbo1993]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore about the overabundance of cromosomes among the rpg net mods but somehow, they still manage to outdo themselves at every turn, I'm low key impressed to be honest.

[Thor's Nads]

Ok, this has nothing to do with TBP, other than it is a window into the madness that is Woke thinking.

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

So, this madness leads to kids being bussed all around San Francisco. You could live in the Outer Sunset and your kid has to be on a bus for 2 hours to go to the inner city or Mission Bay (the worst part of SF). All the parents hope is for a good lottery pull. How they reconcile this with environmentalism, I don't know, understanding cognitive dissonance in the brains of the Woke is beyond me.

This is their definition of "fairness".

[Nameless Mist]

Ok, this has nothing to do with TBP, other than it is a window into the madness that is Woke thinking.

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

So, this madness leads to kids being bussed all around San Francisco. You could live in the Outer Sunset and your kid has to be on a bus for 2 hours to go to the inner city or Mission Bay (the worst part of SF). All the parents hope is for a good lottery pull. How they reconcile this with environmentalism, I don't know, understanding cognitive dissonance in the brains of the Woke is beyond me.

This is their definition of "fairness".

I'm sure many wealthy parents pay the right people for "better odds."  These schemes always involve a lot of backroom deals.  It's like how rent control just means giving highly coveted apartments to relatives or friends of politicians.

[Abbo1993]

Ok, this has nothing to do with TBP, other than it is a window into the madness that is Woke thinking.

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

So, this madness leads to kids being bussed all around San Francisco. You could live in the Outer Sunset and your kid has to be on a bus for 2 hours to go to the inner city or Mission Bay (the worst part of SF). All the parents hope is for a good lottery pull. How they reconcile this with environmentalism, I don't know, understanding cognitive dissonance in the brains of the Woke is beyond me.

This is their definition of "fairness".

Is this mandatory or can the parents tell whichever nazi is in charge of this to go choke on a bag of STDs infected cocks?

[Scooter]

Is this mandatory or can the parents tell whichever nazi is in charge of this to go choke on a bag of STDs infected cocks?

Well since the libtards already got smacked for mandatory bussing by the SC it's probably voluntary stupidity and child abuse

[Trond]

And TBP is about preserving insanity and incoherence.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dirk-desiato-infracted-thirty-day-ban-see-redtext.912164/

Notable: this comes from the generic RPG Admins account, not any single one.

Also notable: the redtext screed is deranged as fuck. Let's dust for prints.

The presumption of innocence is for the court of law, not for protecting the reputations of the powerful.

Getting off to a running start here. Anyone here think they're still feeling butthurt after a couple passes in the legal jousting arena by Zak S or Alex Macris?

Standards of innocence and guilt exist to prevent lynchings, show trials, and other abuses of the often monstrous power of the state. They don't exist to prevent private individuals from having opinions.

Except that as we've seen, private individuals have used their 'opinions' (often stated as facts) to blatantly defame people.

Canadian lawyer Michael Spratt argues that attempting to make legal presumption of innocence into an extralegal imperative diminishes it as a legal right, as much a danger to civil liberties as the creep of state power undermining it in the courtroom.

One, I don't give a fuck what some Canuckistan lawyer says, and two, equating the presumption of innocence with statist authoritarianism is retarded.

Because of social mores, historical precedent, and the nuances of the law, most rapists never face legal consequences of any sort. Insisting that even the most obvious pattern of predatory behavior must be ignored absent a legal conviction is extremely frustrating for everyone else. It's especially unpleasant for rape survivors. They're called liars to their faces because legal systems around the world don't deliver the justice they promise.

Translation: 'We think it should be legal to mistreat people for unproven allegations.'

Some of the most infamous serial predators were only unmasked late in their lives or after their deaths, long after any conviction was likely or even possible. Jimmy Saville, host of Jim'll Fix It, wasn't exposed until after his death.

I'm a bit surprised they went there. Saville's crimes were enabled by his powerful, elite friends, after all -- much like Jeffrey Epstein.

The subject is complicated. False or mistaken allegations do happen. But social bias disproportionately and overwhelmingly tends to dismiss true allegations as malicious falsehoods or mistaken more often than the reverse, especially in the case of powerful and famous individuals.

They come so close to admitting there's a problem here on both sides -- the degeneracy of the neo-aristocratic elites, and the contemptible false charges that get slung around. But they just can't make the cognitive jump.

In this case specifically, multiple survivors have and are continuing to come forth with similar stories about a celebrity who was in a position of power over them. The individual in question is not going to be imprisoned or otherwise punished by government officials without a trial proving guilt, so there's absolutely no need for you to even bring up the legal standard.

Multiple zeroes are still zero. There were multiple witnesses that testified at the Salem witch trials, too -- does that make them legitimate?

We get that you're doubting the accusations, but you're misrepresenting the legal system. You're invoking the "rule of law," but, in the countries in question, the law doesn't prohibit accusations or manage public opinion.

This is unintentionally hilarious as Germany actually does manage public opinion and does not have true freedom of speech.

"Rule of Law" doesn't mean not to believe survivors. In fact, somebody has to -- that's how indictments happen.

And no law nor principle demands that you speak up in defense of a credibly accused serial rapist. You imply that it's unfair of others to believe the accusers. Nobody here is calling for him to be jailed without trial. It's extremely disingenuous for you to pretend that mere criticism is equivalent to that.

Celebrities credibly accused of sexual predation have money, lawyers, and often PR firms. This man has no shortage of resources to fight back. There's no need to appoint yourself Devil's Advocate.

Dirk's statement was that he wanted Till Lindemann to have his day in court. It is painfully clear that TBP admins would prefer the man be lynched.

How progressive of them.

Somehow all of this didn't matter with Gamergate. Zoe Quinn was accused of all sorts of abusive behaviors, but you were banned if said you believed any of it.

[oggsmash]

Ok, this has nothing to do with TBP, other than it is a window into the madness that is Woke thinking.

Parents living in San Francisco have to put their children into a lottery. What is this lottery about? So for the sake of fairness children are randomly shuffled around the various schools within San Francisco so that some poor disadvantaged children go to the wealthier schools. While some children of wealthy go to the poorer schools. Also to mix up the various ethnicities.

So, this madness leads to kids being bussed all around San Francisco. You could live in the Outer Sunset and your kid has to be on a bus for 2 hours to go to the inner city or Mission Bay (the worst part of SF). All the parents hope is for a good lottery pull. How they reconcile this with environmentalism, I don't know, understanding cognitive dissonance in the brains of the Woke is beyond me.

This is their definition of "fairness".

I'm sure many wealthy parents pay the right people for "better odds."  These schemes always involve a lot of backroom deals.  It's like how rent control just means giving highly coveted apartments to relatives or friends of politicians.

  Highly doubtful.  Wealthy people are not sending their kids to public school in san fran.  Middle class...maybe and I am sure some even explain away their kid getting shit on going to school with lay abouts feral kids.  I suspect what really happens in wealthy people send their kids to private school, middle class parents who can send their kids to private school if they have to take a second job or work 80 hours to do it, and people who have taken a big drink of the kool aid (remember old jim jones did A LOT to lay the ground work for the political structure in san fran today) send their kids into the lottery (poor people dont have a choice).  I think alot of the same people who send their kids into a lottery like that are the same parents who chop their kid's junk and feed them drugs to change their sex if the kid "questions" on a whim.