RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[Stephen Tannhauser]

It's pointless trying to talk to them in a venue which participates in brainwashing like Facebook, and Twitter. Remove Facebook and Twitter from the equation and this calculation starts to change.

Agreed. Across the board, the best counter to bigotry and prejudice has always been personal, face-to-face knowledge of people who belong to the group one's been prejudiced against.

The real danger of social media platforms is that they facilitate and encourage people creating filtered spaces which, even if they allow interaction with out-group members, tend to be structured so that interaction reinforces rather than undermines those judgements. The problem with the fabled "safe space" is that any organism who stays in one too long becomes unable to survive outside it, like orchids in a greenhouse.

[VacuumJockey]

Today I learned that rpg.net autobans posts related to ACKS!

I caught a permaban over there from recommending the ACKS wargame supplement, and having an alleged alt-right (ooo!) talking point in my sig.

Still, I am more impressed by the fact that rpg.net has auto-banned ACKS posts for years. According to their mod text, ACKS has been a banned topic "for years now"!

[blackstone]

I just read through their rules and guidelines and quite frankly I'm shocked and appalled.
I cannot believe how one sided they've become. They've fully embraced the SJW BS of the left.
You cannot in any way have an apposing view from rpg.net and have a discussion about it.
The moderators there will perma-ban anyone at the drop of a hat. Pretty pathetic.
There is zero public discourse there.
They're close minded.
they fear everything.
They've become the thing they most hated and feared: the oppressor.

[blackstone]

take a look at this ban (which was appealed...and REVERSED!)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/s-lash-infracted-reversed-on-appeal.902772/

With that sort of logic, ANYONE who sits down with a Nazi, is a Nazi.

So I guess every person that spoke to Hitler was a Nazi.

What. The. Literal. Fuck.

EDIT: Sorry. I saw this particular ban was brought up earlier in this thread. My bad. But still...WTF?

[wmarshal]

take a look at this ban (which was appealed...and REVERSED!)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/s-lash-infracted-reversed-on-appeal.902772/

With that sort of logic, ANYONE who sits down with a Nazi, is a Nazi.

So I guess every person that spoke to Hitler was a Nazi.

What. The. Literal. Fuck.

EDIT: Sorry. I saw this particular ban was brought up earlier in this thread. My bad. But still...WTF?

A 7 day ban reversed 6 days into the ban, and no explanation for why the ban was reversed. The TBP mods want the inmates to not fully understand what the rules are. It's a form of terror to keep people afraid, and to keep people within the cult-minded groupthink.

[Ghostmaker]

Honestly, I had to take a break from it. As wmarshal correctly notes, the rules are never distinct and always in flux, so as to keep everyone guessing.

[Fheredin]

Really, what was at stake with the "Rommel Apologism" ban is the concept of whether or not you can view enemies as anything other than enemies. The Rommel myth exists as an antidote to the idea that all enemies are irrevocably evil or subhuman, and not that Rommel specifically was a good Nazi. It's a reminder to view your enemies as human, with a range of good and evil traits.

Naturally, RPG.Net avoids this entire line of discussion. I suspect this is an ego-defense reflex. Discussing Rommel as a person makes it easy to poke holes in his character (you can poke holes in anyone's character). However, if you start discussing why the Rommel myth exists, RPG.Net's staff would have to admit they haven't taken the lesson to heart; on the contrary, they are accessory to a scorched-earth defamation and disinformation campaign against MAGA, anyone they listen to or support, anyone who has breathed the air fifty miles downrange of them, and really, anyone to the right of the middle of the Democrat aisle.

At this point I think most of the internet has lost the forest for the trees when it comes to Nazism and Fascism. The Biden Administration is literally sending weapons to the Ukrainian Nazi party. I have a problem with Biden being a Manchurian candidate because he clearly has dementia and in half of his public appearances, the furniture looks like it was provided by Fisher Price. I have a problem with the Biden Administration releasing something like 2/3rds of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to fail at buying off the 2022 Midterm.

I don't have a problem with the Biden Administration giving Javelins to Ukrainian Nazis. In context, that makes sense, and this is why the Rommel was a Good Nazi trope is an important myth even if it is only a myth.

[Visitor Q]

I just read through their rules and guidelines and quite frankly I'm shocked and appalled.
I cannot believe how one sided they've become. They've fully embraced the SJW BS of the left.
You cannot in any way have an apposing view from rpg.net and have a discussion about it.
The moderators there will perma-ban anyone at the drop of a hat. Pretty pathetic.
There is zero public discourse there.
They're close minded.
they fear everything.
They've become the thing they most hated and feared: the oppressor.

It's an interesting microcosm of a Soviet system, purges and all.

[Fergurg]

So two people have been banned for saying that child rapists are worse than Nazis.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/liahona-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.904312/ This one was technically claimed to be a sockpuppet, but interesting how THIS stance was what got the mods' attention.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monad-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-troll.904314/ This one is more honest, but it ignores that in the thread, Monad was kicked out of the thread for "Nazi apologism".

Now that TBP has come out and said that holding unapproved views is worse than CHILD RAPE, can we start doxxing them now? This is no longer theoretical that these "people" are monsters.

[Chris24601]

So two people have been banned for saying that child rapists are worse than Nazis.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/liahona-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.904312/ This one was technically claimed to be a sockpuppet, but interesting how THIS stance was what got the mods' attention.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monad-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-troll.904314/ This one is more honest, but it ignores that in the thread, Monad was kicked out of the thread for "Nazi apologism".

Now that TBP has come out and said that holding unapproved views is worse than CHILD RAPE, can we start doxxing them now? This is no longer theoretical that these "people" are monsters.

Nope. Don't even give them the publicity. People like that live for attention and the ability to cry victim. Let them and their site absorb the crazy as it sinks into irrelevance.

[Ratman_tf]

So two people have been banned for saying that child rapists are worse than Nazis.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/liahona-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.904312/ This one was technically claimed to be a sockpuppet, but interesting how THIS stance was what got the mods' attention.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monad-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-troll.904314/ This one is more honest, but it ignores that in the thread, Monad was kicked out of the thread for "Nazi apologism".

Now that TBP has come out and said that holding unapproved views is worse than CHILD RAPE, can we start doxxing them now? This is no longer theoretical that these "people" are monsters.

In their defense, the unapproved views are that a demographic of our fellow human beings are less than animals, and raping and murdering them is justified.

To take that defense away, I think the definition of Nazi has slid into "someone I don't like".

[Mistwell]

So two people have been banned for saying that child rapists are worse than Nazis.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/liahona-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.904312/ This one was technically claimed to be a sockpuppet, but interesting how THIS stance was what got the mods' attention.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/monad-infracted-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-troll.904314/ This one is more honest, but it ignores that in the thread, Monad was kicked out of the thread for "Nazi apologism".

Now that TBP has come out and said that holding unapproved views is worse than CHILD RAPE, can we start doxxing them now? This is no longer theoretical that these "people" are monsters.

Naw come on. His comment was very clearly not just arguing "child rapists worse" but also dismissive of anti-semitism as even being an issue worthy of any concern. He was, in particular, dismissive of "dajooz own the media" as being a concern. And then he made a crack about "refusing to learn your pronouns or whatever" which was definitely him poking at people there. And he was banned for trolling - which that was. Don't be disingenuous we already have tons of legit reasons to thing TBP is full of lunatics without you spinning some false ones.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

In their defense, the unapproved views are that a demographic of our fellow human beings are less than animals, and raping and murdering them is justified.

To take that defense away, I think the definition of Nazi has slid into "someone I don't like".

I think you're right, on both counts.

I had an interesting moment watching the new series of Interview with the Vampire,* where Louis de Pointe du Lac, who is in this version a gay black man who was made a vampire at the beginning of the 20th century rather than the 18th,** has the opportunity to vamp out and kill some of the racist a-holes who were forever looking down on him and keeping him down in pre-WW1 New Orleans. It's clearly meant to be very emotionally cathartic and vicariously satisfying, but my own reaction was more along the lines of, "You know, being an unrepentant racist -- or bigot of any stripe, for that matter -- is a pretty reprehensible thing, but in a just system of law it's not a capital crime."

And that's what I see more and more as an underlying conviction of Wokism -- that being the sort of person who might want to commit crimes motivated by hate is morally equivalent to being a person who's actually committed that crime.

* My wife loves the new series; I think it's well-done AU fanfic, but after the series of Hannibal and The Haunting of Bly Manor I'm basically fed up with AU fanfics on principle, especially if they're being deployed for Woke purposes. But I don't want to ruin her enjoyment so I don't get into those arguments.

** Thus completely changing the philosophical arc of the original novel, which is one reason I don't like AUs. If you want to tell that different a story, create your own.

[Ratman_tf]

In their defense, the unapproved views are that a demographic of our fellow human beings are less than animals, and raping and murdering them is justified.

To take that defense away, I think the definition of Nazi has slid into "someone I don't like".

I think you're right, on both counts.

I had an interesting moment watching the new series of Interview with the Vampire,* where Louis de Pointe du Lac, who is in this version a gay black man who was made a vampire at the beginning of the 20th century rather than the 18th,** has the opportunity to vamp out and kill some of the racist a-holes who were forever looking down on him and keeping him down in pre-WW1 New Orleans. It's clearly meant to be very emotionally cathartic and vicariously satisfying, but my own reaction was more along the lines of, "You know, being an unrepentant racist -- or bigot of any stripe, for that matter -- is a pretty reprehensible thing, but in a just system of law it's not a capital crime."

And that's what I see more and more as an underlying conviction of Wokism -- that being the sort of person who might want to commit crimes motivated by hate is morally equivalent to being a person who's actually committed that crime.

* My wife loves the new series; I think it's well-done AU fanfic, but after the series of Hannibal and The Haunting of Bly Manor I'm basically fed up with AU fanfics on principle, especially if they're being deployed for Woke purposes. But I don't want to ruin her enjoyment so I don't get into those arguments.

** Thus completely changing the philosophical arc of the original novel, which is one reason I don't like AUs. If you want to tell that different a story, create your own.

I agree. The problem of the Paradox of Tolerance is that somebody out there will find you intolerable, and we devolve into simple tribalism. Which I think is one of the end states of wokism anyway.

[Chris24601]

In their defense, the unapproved views are that a demographic of our fellow human beings are less than animals, and raping and murdering them is justified.

To take that defense away, I think the definition of Nazi has slid into "someone I don't like".

I think you're right, on both counts.

I had an interesting moment watching the new series of Interview with the Vampire,* where Louis de Pointe du Lac, who is in this version a gay black man who was made a vampire at the beginning of the 20th century rather than the 18th,** has the opportunity to vamp out and kill some of the racist a-holes who were forever looking down on him and keeping him down in pre-WW1 New Orleans. It's clearly meant to be very emotionally cathartic and vicariously satisfying, but my own reaction was more along the lines of, "You know, being an unrepentant racist -- or bigot of any stripe, for that matter -- is a pretty reprehensible thing, but in a just system of law it's not a capital crime."

And that's what I see more and more as an underlying conviction of Wokism -- that being the sort of person who might want to commit crimes motivated by hate is morally equivalent to being a person who's actually committed that crime.

* My wife loves the new series; I think it's well-done AU fanfic, but after the series of Hannibal and The Haunting of Bly Manor I'm basically fed up with AU fanfics on principle, especially if they're being deployed for Woke purposes. But I don't want to ruin her enjoyment so I don't get into those arguments.

** Thus completely changing the philosophical arc of the original novel, which is one reason I don't like AUs. If you want to tell that different a story, create your own.

I agree. The problem of the Paradox of Tolerance is that somebody out there will find you intolerable, and we devolve into simple tribalism. Which I think is one of the end states of wokism anyway.

The purpose of wokism is to atomize (not in the ray gun sense; but in "divide to the smallest element) society because small groups and individuals cannot easily resist the State, only large organized groups can (which is why organized religions are invariably the first targets of the woke ideology).