RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[Ghostmaker]

Thou shalt not point out the obvious holes in the OneD&D playtest, peasant.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/neila-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.901209/

[Trond]

Thou shalt not point out the obvious holes in the OneD&D playtest, peasant.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/neila-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.901209/

I believe the real issue is this sentence:
"It seems to me that WotC are flailing around in a maelstrom of Wokeness, not quite comprehending what the problem is or what they are supposed to do about it."
Thou cannot under any circumstances question wokeness.

[oggsmash]

I would love to see a trend of TikTok leftist ranters getting a punch in the mouth mid-rant. TBPers would be good candidates for this corrective beating.

I, on the other hand, would prefer we not assault and batter people for wrongthink. If you're incapable of refuting what they're saying in a persuasive manner, try harder. Beating people for having an opinion you disagree with is weak and shows your insecurity in your own beliefs.

That would be nice. However, they are fighting a war and are already in the "attack and assault for wrongthink" stage. The longer we wait before responding in kind - and worse - the more difficult it is going to be.

If someone is physically assaulting you by all means defend yourself. But people ranting on TikTok isn't people assaulting you. Don't punch them for having beliefs you think are stupid and bad.

No.  if someone offers credible threat defend yourself.  Wait until you get hit is a pretty good way to get fucked up.

Fair enough, but that's still not tiktok rants not directed at you but at ideas and vague groups.

Affirmative action is codified threat.  Has been doing big damage for a while.  Fight worthy?

[Skullking]

Thou shalt not point out the obvious holes in the OneD&D playtest, peasant.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/neila-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.901209/

"It seems to me that WotC are flailing around in a maelstrom of Wokeness, not quite comprehending what the problem is or what they are supposed to do about it. We may as well just have one race, and called them "X Lings". An Xling can be anything from 2 foot to 10 foot tall, have wings, or flippers, or scales, or horns or tails. They can be weak or strong, healthy or sickly, clever or stupid. Build your Xling character by choosing from the following list of stats, traits, skills and feats. The end."

Hopefully WotC won't see this otherwise they will probably steal the idea for the next playtest document.

[wmarshal]

Thou shalt not point out the obvious holes in the OneD&D playtest, peasant.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/neila-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.901209/

"It seems to me that WotC are flailing around in a maelstrom of Wokeness, not quite comprehending what the problem is or what they are supposed to do about it. We may as well just have one race, and called them "X Lings". An Xling can be anything from 2 foot to 10 foot tall, have wings, or flippers, or scales, or horns or tails. They can be weak or strong, healthy or sickly, clever or stupid. Build your Xling character by choosing from the following list of stats, traits, skills and feats. The end."

Hopefully WotC won't see this otherwise they will probably steal the idea for the next playtest document.

And thus, the Woke's diversity fetish will be achieved by making everyone essentially the same. Seems like a 1984-like "Freedom is Slavery" slogan could be created from this.

[Tait Ransom]

So what happened to Bethdragon over there?  She had inherited Tanka's crown as worst-of-the-worst, IMO.  Do you think she got Trotsky'd, or just died from one of the many ailments endemic to blue-haired landwhales?

Hasn't been online since early July, but still listed as a mod, and no announcement. Maybe she's just taking a break—we know how hard moderating TBP is, after all.

(I should probably stop lurking as well. That "Open Letter to GenCon" thread has not been conducive to peace and calm, and that's with my indifference to the convention...)

Bethdragon was a dear online friend of mine for over 20 years. We wrote together, gamed together, and visited each other. She was always the nicest person that I'd ever met. I used to joke that everyone loved her except evil people, and even they were ambivalent.

Somewhere along the way, something changed. She stopped replying to my Facebook messages for a long while, and when she finally did, she expressed that she was "tired of being nice".

It really makes me sad.

I'm sorry, man.  That's sad to hear, and I'm sorry she made that choice.

[Ratman_tf]

So what happened to Bethdragon over there?  She had inherited Tanka's crown as worst-of-the-worst, IMO.  Do you think she got Trotsky'd, or just died from one of the many ailments endemic to blue-haired landwhales?

Hasn't been online since early July, but still listed as a mod, and no announcement. Maybe she's just taking a break—we know how hard moderating TBP is, after all.

(I should probably stop lurking as well. That "Open Letter to GenCon" thread has not been conducive to peace and calm, and that's with my indifference to the convention...)

Bethdragon was a dear online friend of mine for over 20 years. We wrote together, gamed together, and visited each other. She was always the nicest person that I'd ever met. I used to joke that everyone loved her except evil people, and even they were ambivalent.

Somewhere along the way, something changed. She stopped replying to my Facebook messages for a long while, and when she finally did, she expressed that she was "tired of being nice".

It really makes me sad.

I'm sorry, man.  That's sad to hear, and I'm sorry she made that choice.

Ditto.

It's hard to remember that no matter how much they infuriate us, the mods at RPG.net are just people. I happen to think they're people who have taken ideology too far on a message board (and probably in RL) and become the things they profess to hate, but my hope is that they come to their senses eventually.

Because the alternative is what we've got going on now, and that sucks.

I hope BethDragon is ok.

[Abraxus]

I don't know Bethdrshon personally yet even if I did it's not someone who I would want to be around.

Unless something happened in her life some kind of mental and/or physical abuse it's one thing. I can excuse the bad behaviour. If not I don't want that kind of toxic person in my life.

Basically saying " tired of being nice" shows the person was never nice to begin with and possibly a borderline sociopath if not one already. Normal people don't get tired of being nice.

[Visitor Q]

So what happened to Bethdragon over there?  She had inherited Tanka's crown as worst-of-the-worst, IMO.  Do you think she got Trotsky'd, or just died from one of the many ailments endemic to blue-haired landwhales?

Hasn't been online since early July, but still listed as a mod, and no announcement. Maybe she's just taking a break—we know how hard moderating TBP is, after all.

(I should probably stop lurking as well. That "Open Letter to GenCon" thread has not been conducive to peace and calm, and that's with my indifference to the convention...)

Bethdragon was a dear online friend of mine for over 20 years. We wrote together, gamed together, and visited each other. She was always the nicest person that I'd ever met. I used to joke that everyone loved her except evil people, and even they were ambivalent.

Somewhere along the way, something changed. She stopped replying to my Facebook messages for a long while, and when she finally did, she expressed that she was "tired of being nice".

It really makes me sad.

I'm sorry, man.  That's sad to hear, and I'm sorry she made that choice.

Ditto.

It's hard to remember that no matter how much they infuriate us, the mods at RPG.net are just people. I happen to think they're people who have taken ideology too far on a message board (and probably in RL) and become the things they profess to hate, but my hope is that they come to their senses eventually.

Because the alternative is what we've got going on now, and that sucks.

I hope BethDragon is ok.

While I don't want wish anyone ill and I sincerely hope BethDragon is getting support for any mental health issues she has, the people the mods are banning are also people.  They are generally being pushed out of an avenue to express themselves and enjoy their hobby merely for expressing wrong opinions.

Often bullies are the most unhappy people around.

[Bunch]

I don't know Bethdrshon personally yet even if I did it's not someone who I would want to be around.

Unless something happened in her life some kind of mental and/or physical abuse it's one thing. I can excuse the bad behaviour. If not I don't want that kind of toxic person in my life.

Basically saying " tired of being nice" shows the person was never nice to begin with and possibly a borderline sociopath if not one already. Normal people don't get tired of being nice.

Yes they can. When all they get for being nice is people abusing it or taking advantage of it they learn just like anyone else.  Most people call it retail work

[Armchair Gamer]

Well, it's finally happened.

Someone's caught a permaban for not wanting to call the opposition Nazis.

[wmarshal]

Well, it's finally happened.

Someone's caught a permaban for not wanting to call the opposition Nazis.

How long before TBP accuse the Anti-Defamation League of being Nazi sympathizers?

https://www.adl.org/blog/lets-avoid-holocaust-analogies-in-the-public-square

[Tait Ransom]

Well, it's finally happened.

Someone's caught a permaban for not wanting to call the opposition Nazis.

There's a pattern I see with a lot of movements.  The movement starts by saying "Just don't be BAD."  Most people think "Yeah, that's reasonable" and kind of go along.  After a while, though, the message has been more or less accepted by a lot of the population.  The movement, however, still needs to move so they progress to "It's not enough to not be bad ... you need to proactively be GOOD."

There's often some pushback ... the movement has expanded their parameters and some supporters aren't as comfortable with this.  However, again, a lot of people are okay with it.  After all, being good isn't too hard to do, right?

Unfortunately, the movements then progress to Stage 3 ... "You're not being good ENOUGH."

The movement always eats its own, eventually.

[Abraxus]

Yes they can. When all they get for being nice is people abusing it or taking advantage of it they learn just like anyone else.  Most people call it retail work

Absolute Bullshit.

Unless they went through some kind of physical or mental trauma or both. Or worse they were taken advantage by someone for being too nice then I get being cynical and not wanting to be nice.

Starting out as a good and nice person then suddenly turning into a jerk for no reason yeah no. Not unless a gun is held at their head forcing them to act a certain way.

I did face to face retail work for 15 years and I never lost  who I was.

Otherwise it comes off as an apologist for bad behaviour. Unless their is a valid reason I'm too old to cater to people who insist on behaving badly.

[Visitor Q]

Well, it's finally happened.

Someone's caught a permaban for not wanting to call the opposition Nazis.

SydneyFreedberg: Say, I am ok with killing kids, but I am a bit uncomfortable with trivialising the Holocaust...maybe we shouldn't.

DawgStar(as rep. For RPG.net): Ah no, we're antisemitic and we like killing kids. I don't think you're going to be a good fit....PURGED!