RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[GeekyBugle]

It never happens, never ever...

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[jhkim]

Outside of telling kids "If someone is touching your private place, please tell us", it shouldn't be controversial at all to leave sex and gender out of the classroom for kids. Just as it shouldn't be controversial for kids to know nothing about a Teacher's homelife.

It's so fucking weird to me, all these Teachers who need kids to know every detail about who they fuck, if they're married and if they think Gender is a thing. For fuck sake, have some professionalism!

Is this about Geeky's example #2 of a transgender teacher who transitioned while teaching? The only personal detail covered was what gender they were. The *gender* of a teacher has never been considered a private detail. It's usually considered required information, in fact.

For that matter, whether someone is married or not also has never been considered part of private home life - given that it's often a part of someone's name. If an elementary school teacher got married while teaching, there's a fair chance that she'd change her prefix and/or last name -- and if she taught K-3, she'd probably end up explaining something to kids about why her name changed.

When I went to school, for example, I knew that my teachers Mr. Szabo and Mrs. Szabo were married. I don't feel that knowing that was unprofessional. It's part of public life - which is why visible wedding rings are a tradition. I also knew that the principal's kid was Jerry in 5th grade.

[Pat]

Here's the thing... as a child in the 80s and a teen in the 90s... Do you know what I remember about my Teacher's personal lives?

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

I only knew some of the women were married because their name was "Mrs." But the Teachers didn't talk about their personal lives. They didn't let us know if they were gay or straight, or even if they had children. Obviously as kids we made assumptions, but those assumptions could be wildly off base for all I know. There were rumors about certain teachers, there was a High School English teacher rumored to be a Lesbian, but nobody could confirm one way or another and she didn't say it one way or another.

The point was, the Teachers didn't discuss their personal lives with their students..

100% correct.

[Orphan81]

Outside of telling kids "If someone is touching your private place, please tell us", it shouldn't be controversial at all to leave sex and gender out of the classroom for kids. Just as it shouldn't be controversial for kids to know nothing about a Teacher's homelife.

It's so fucking weird to me, all these Teachers who need kids to know every detail about who they fuck, if they're married and if they think Gender is a thing. For fuck sake, have some professionalism!

Is this about Geeky's example #2 of a transgender teacher who transitioned while teaching? The only personal detail covered was what gender they were. The *gender* of a teacher has never been considered a private detail. It's usually considered required information, in fact.

For that matter, whether someone is married or not also has never been considered part of private home life - given that it's often a part of someone's name. If an elementary school teacher got married while teaching, there's a fair chance that she'd change her prefix and/or last name -- and if she taught K-3, she'd probably end up explaining something to kids about why her name changed.

When I went to school, for example, I knew that my teachers Mr. Szabo and Mrs. Szabo were married. I don't feel that knowing that was unprofessional. It's part of public life - which is why visible wedding rings are a tradition. I also knew that the principal's kid was Jerry in 5th grade.

What you're doing is begging the question, proving the exception to the rule, and being contrary to be contrary.

I already mentioned, the name "Mrs." implied a female teacher was married. Wedding rings did too.
The point is, however, that Teachers are supposed to maintain a level of boundaries and profesionalism. I also had two teachers who were married, and I also had a teacher with a kid at the school. But again, they were the exception, not the rule.

A teacher shouldn't be volunteering information about their personal lives to the class. You're being pendantic (Which is one of your character traits Jhkim you're like the most pendantic person on this site and never, ever let an oppertunity to make a bad faith or 'whatbout' argument go).

Teachers are not supposed to let students into their personal lives. If things happen that volunteer that information (Wedding rings, another teacher their married to, a child at the school) then so be it... But one of the best examples I can point to, was a gay Kindergarten teacher being upset because he said "If I went Kayaking with my husband and my students asked what I did over the weekend, am I supposed to lie?" The answer is...

Yes.. or say they went Kayaking. You don't need to specify you did it with your spouse.

Or even worse I had a Music teacher argue with me that to demonstrate line dancing they used their family as examples, "I'm here, my wife is here, my brother in law is here" my response is, "Why the fuck are you using you and your family as examples instead of the students? It should be Jimmy you'd be here, Antwon you here, Jamie here, Alice you'd be here" that's much more engaging to the students while not volunteering your personal life.

This isn't difficult, it shouldn't be difficult. Teachers should not be volunteering their personal lives OR their personal politics to students for that matter. Hell I couldn't tell you what political party any of my teachers belonged to either.

[GeekyBugle]

Outside of telling kids "If someone is touching your private place, please tell us", it shouldn't be controversial at all to leave sex and gender out of the classroom for kids. Just as it shouldn't be controversial for kids to know nothing about a Teacher's homelife.

It's so fucking weird to me, all these Teachers who need kids to know every detail about who they fuck, if they're married and if they think Gender is a thing. For fuck sake, have some professionalism!

Is this about Geeky's example #2 of a transgender teacher who transitioned while teaching? The only personal detail covered was what gender they were. The *gender* of a teacher has never been considered a private detail. It's usually considered required information, in fact.

For that matter, whether someone is married or not also has never been considered part of private home life - given that it's often a part of someone's name. If an elementary school teacher got married while teaching, there's a fair chance that she'd change her prefix and/or last name -- and if she taught K-3, she'd probably end up explaining something to kids about why her name changed.

When I went to school, for example, I knew that my teachers Mr. Szabo and Mrs. Szabo were married. I don't feel that knowing that was unprofessional. It's part of public life - which is why visible wedding rings are a tradition. I also knew that the principal's kid was Jerry in 5th grade.

What you're doing is begging the question, proving the exception to the rule, and being contrary to be contrary.

I already mentioned, the name "Mrs." implied a female teacher was married. Wedding rings did too.
The point is, however, that Teachers are supposed to maintain a level of boundaries and profesionalism. I also had two teachers who were married, and I also had a teacher with a kid at the school. But again, they were the exception, not the rule.

A teacher shouldn't be volunteering information about their personal lives to the class. You're being pendantic (Which is one of your character traits Jhkim you're like the most pendantic person on this site and never, ever let an oppertunity to make a bad faith or 'whatbout' argument go).

Teachers are not supposed to let students into their personal lives. If things happen that volunteer that information (Wedding rings, another teacher their married to, a child at the school) then so be it... But one of the best examples I can point to, was a gay Kindergarten teacher being upset because he said "If I went Kayaking with my husband and my students asked what I did over the weekend, am I supposed to lie?" The answer is...

Yes.. or say they went Kayaking. You don't need to specify you did it with your spouse.

Or even worse I had a Music teacher argue with me that to demonstrate line dancing they used their family as examples, "I'm here, my wife is here, my brother in law is here" my response is, "Why the fuck are you using you and your family as examples instead of the students? It should be Jimmy you'd be here, Antwon you here, Jamie here, Alice you'd be here" that's much more engaging to the students while not volunteering your personal life.

This isn't difficult, it shouldn't be difficult. Teachers should not be volunteering their personal lives OR their personal politics to students for that matter. Hell I couldn't tell you what political party any of my teachers belonged to either.

He's not being contrarian, he loooooooooves the grooming and wants it to continue.

[Mistwell]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

[GeekyBugle]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

Please don't be a dumbass and make me go find Bernie parroting the woke talking points...

Edited to add:
Since you can't help yourself I'm pre-emptively proving you're a dumbass:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/lgbtq-equality/
Would you say that the Jacobin Magazine is left?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-transgender-rights-health-care

The Left was infected, co-opted and is now nothing but woke.

And you're a dumbass.

[Battlemaster]

Hey,  all you rightards talking about murdering  liberals?  Check this out:


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074414/-Florida-Republican-is-shot-dead-after-allegedly-ramming-car-and-shooting-at-driver

Basically a trump lover saw that Kyle shittenhouse got away with murder after looking for trouble with liberals, do he decided to stage an accident as an excuse to start trouble with a liberal and murder him.

The result was a bad trump lover being turned into a good trump lover.

I laughed do dard at this I had tears rolling down my cheeks...

[jeff37923]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

And that is why you are fucked in the head. You would rather miscommunicate by creating personal distinctions based on cloud cuckoo land logic than try to use commonly accepted word definitions.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

Of course! That is why he starts out strong in every election and then capitulate to the Democrat Party and bows out like a good little socialist tool so that he may count his remaining campaign contributions at home in one of his three mansions.

[SHARK]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

And that is why you are fucked in the head. You would rather miscommunicate by creating personal distinctions based on cloud cuckoo land logic than try to use commonly accepted word definitions.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

Of course! That is why he starts out strong in every election and then capitulate to the Democrat Party and bows out like a good little socialist tool so that he may count his remaining campaign contributions at home in one of his three mansions.

Greetings!

*Laughing* How does that expression go, Jeff? "A Distinction without a Difference"? I think that's it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ghostmaker]

Hey,  all you rightards talking about murdering  liberals?  Check this out:


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074414/-Florida-Republican-is-shot-dead-after-allegedly-ramming-car-and-shooting-at-driver

Basically a trump lover saw that Kyle shittenhouse got away with murder after looking for trouble with liberals, do he decided to stage an accident as an excuse to start trouble with a liberal and murder him.

The result was a bad trump lover being turned into a good trump lover.

I laughed do dard at this I had tears rolling down my cheeks...

> linking to DailyKos

LOL.

[jeff37923]

Hey,  all you rightards talking about murdering  liberals?  Check this out:


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074414/-Florida-Republican-is-shot-dead-after-allegedly-ramming-car-and-shooting-at-driver

Basically a trump lover saw that Kyle shittenhouse got away with murder after looking for trouble with liberals, do he decided to stage an accident as an excuse to start trouble with a liberal and murder him.

The result was a bad trump lover being turned into a good trump lover.

I laughed do dard at this I had tears rolling down my cheeks...

> linking to DailyKos

LOL.

You don't think that he would get his "news" from anywhere else, do you?

[oggsmash]

Hey,  all you rightards talking about murdering  liberals?  Check this out:


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074414/-Florida-Republican-is-shot-dead-after-allegedly-ramming-car-and-shooting-at-driver

Basically a trump lover saw that Kyle shittenhouse got away with murder after looking for trouble with liberals, do he decided to stage an accident as an excuse to start trouble with a liberal and murder him.

The result was a bad trump lover being turned into a good trump lover.

I laughed do dard at this I had tears rolling down my cheeks...

  The part you might be missing, is in Florida and both being gun owners...they both could be trump supporters and just had a friendly gun fight.  You have zero proof the other guy was liberal.  However, if you feel things get violent and liberals are going to be killing all the trumptards, good luck with that one.

[Mistwell]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

Please don't be a dumbass and make me go find Bernie parroting the woke talking points...

Edited to add:
Since you can't help yourself I'm pre-emptively proving you're a dumbass:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/lgbtq-equality/
Would you say that the Jacobin Magazine is left?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-transgender-rights-health-care

The Left was infected, co-opted and is now nothing but woke.

And you're a dumbass.

Since you didn't pay attention to WHY Bernie parroted that stuff, I will inform you. Bernie said something along the lines that we don't need to worry about race and those type issues, because once you solve for the class issues the rest of them benefit just the same. [Edit: I think technically what he said was, "racial inequality is a symptom — but economic inequality is the disease."]

The progressives blew their fucking minds in anger at Bernie and his followers, for several months.

So, as an olive leaf, he threw out those platitudes about the culture stuff. Which the progressives knew he didn't believe, his followers knew he didn't believe, and yet it made peace in the party when he was trying to gain the nomination.

Had you been paying attention at the time, you'd have known all that. It wasn't hidden. It was a rather public dispute which went on for a while. See for example this.

[Mistwell]

And since you "liberals" can't stop yourselves there's no middle ground anymore. Get your hands of other people's childrens minds.

You can reason with actual liberals.  They are still responsive to logic and empirical data.
You cannot reason with leftists.  Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
Leftists are cultural/race/gender/intersectional Marxists who want a revolution to bring about the dictatorship of the anti-racists.
Leftists believe anything that undermines western liberalism and causes chaos is great. 
TBP and other woke sites practice repressive tolerance... that which does not fall within the leftist ideology cannot be tolerated and must be suppressed.

I don't agree with those distinctions.

Leftists, to me, are economic left-wing people. Socialists. Marxists.

Progressives are cultural/race/gender/intersectional justice people.

And that is why you are fucked in the head. You would rather miscommunicate by creating personal distinctions based on cloud cuckoo land logic than try to use commonly accepted word definitions.

They are not the same groups. Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with most of those culture claims but is firmly a leftist socialist, for example. They CAN overlap, but they're not interchangeable terms and they don't always agree. Sometimes they even hate each other.

Of course! That is why he starts out strong in every election and then capitulate to the Democrat Party and bows out like a good little socialist tool so that he may count his remaining campaign contributions at home in one of his three mansions.

I agree with that last part.