LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

[This Guy]

So if you voted for Biden that means you support child slave labor to mine metals for your electric cars so you can feel better about destroying the environment?

yes, have you seen kids lately? they're awful. could use a little slave labor

[Shasarak]

So if you voted for Biden that means you support child slave labor to mine metals for your electric cars so you can feel better about destroying the environment?

yes, have you seen kids lately? they're awful. could use a little slave labor

Those chimneys are not going to clean themselves.

[oggsmash]

Jhkim, I guess what I expect from you is to speak to a specific issue and not drag up 60's whataboutism qualifiers every time you get a chance.  I suppose that is expecting too much.  I guess the really good news for you, is though you missed the 60's, it looks like the folks over on your side of this bullshit are going to bring 'em back.  Good job. 

   I am not arguing nothing has ever happened that was heavy handed or wrong to people who wanted representation or rights.  I am saying if the same heavy handed propagandized bullshit is still going on, we are NOT making progress, we have simply swapped out who is running the institutions, and those people seem very, very much obsessed with "getting even".  There is no getting even, there is living well and moving on.  Leftists are not interested even a little bit in doing that.  Some will mealy mouth how things are over the line, BUT well, since before other people were over the line yadda, yadda, yadda.   Just remember if it comes to an actual boil, violence will erupt, and all that stuff will mean exactly nothing. 

[HappyDaze]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

[oggsmash]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

    He asked me directly what I expected.  I answered him.

[HappyDaze]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

    He asked me directly what I expected.  I answered him.

That you're aware of your thinking error is a positive step.

[oggsmash]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

    He asked me directly what I expected.  I answered him.

That you're aware of your thinking error is a positive step.

      No idea wtf you are talking about, and I am guessing you are super bored.  No bedpans to change out?

[HappyDaze]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

    He asked me directly what I expected.  I answered him.

That you're aware of your thinking error is a positive step.

      No idea wtf you are talking about, and I am guessing you are super bored.  No bedpans to change out?

You are aware that your expectations from him do not match what he is offering. Either you accept that or you don't, but expecting others to conform to what you want is only going to leave you disappointed when they just don't give a fuck about your desires.

[oggsmash]

I guess what I expect from you is

Your error in expectations is not the other person's fault. Learn to work with what they offer, not what you want them to offer, and you might get somewhere.

    He asked me directly what I expected.  I answered him.

That you're aware of your thinking error is a positive step.

      No idea wtf you are talking about, and I am guessing you are super bored.  No bedpans to change out?

You are aware that your expectations from him do not match what he is offering. Either you accept that or you don't, but expecting others to conform to what you want is only going to leave you disappointed when they just don't give a fuck about your desires.

  Buddy that was obvious to both (all of us on here) of us before he asked me the question.  I did not understand you continuing to go on about it, unless this is much more super serial to you than usual today.

[This Guy]

So if you voted for Biden that means you support child slave labor to mine metals for your electric cars so you can feel better about destroying the environment?

yes, have you seen kids lately? they're awful. could use a little slave labor

Those chimneys are not going to clean themselves.

self-cleaning chimneys were invented briefly but then eliminated because they would kill the chimney-sweep market. wise choice

[jhkim]

Jhkim, I guess what I expect from you is to speak to a specific issue and not drag up 60's whataboutism qualifiers every time you get a chance.  I suppose that is expecting too much.  I guess the really good news for you, is though you missed the 60's, it looks like the folks over on your side of this bullshit are going to bring 'em back.  Good job. 

   I am not arguing nothing has ever happened that was heavy handed or wrong to people who wanted representation or rights.  I am saying if the same heavy handed propagandized bullshit is still going on, we are NOT making progress, we have simply swapped out who is running the institutions, and those people seem very, very much obsessed with "getting even".  There is no getting even, there is living well and moving on.  Leftists are not interested even a little bit in doing that.  Some will mealy mouth how things are over the line, BUT well, since before other people were over the line yadda, yadda, yadda.   Just remember if it comes to an actual boil, violence will erupt, and all that stuff will mean exactly nothing.

When I said about coming for liberals, I wasn't talking about the 1960s. It's continued to be true long since. Consistently from the 1980s, the 1990s, and the 2000s, Republicans have continued to push for more government power -- through the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, and others. The Democrats have also been complicit in this -- but they haven't pushed as hard.

Even through the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, Republicans have continued to push for more police power - and cracking down on the rights of protesters and journalists. The journalists and protesters who have been arrested and imprisoned continued to be primarily liberal through 2011 at least. It's only in the late Obama and Trump era that I've seen any regrets from Republicans against expanding police power, and even then there hasn't been much substantial action taken to reduce police powers or expand civil rights.


So when you complain that we're not making progress and putting the blame on leftists -- that doesn't sit well with me. Yes, Democrats and leftists have been complicit in this - but I think it is a bipartisan issue that only a minority on both sides are supporting, and historically it has mainly been pushed by a minority of traditional liberals.

[oggsmash]

Jhkim, I guess what I expect from you is to speak to a specific issue and not drag up 60's whataboutism qualifiers every time you get a chance.  I suppose that is expecting too much.  I guess the really good news for you, is though you missed the 60's, it looks like the folks over on your side of this bullshit are going to bring 'em back.  Good job. 

   I am not arguing nothing has ever happened that was heavy handed or wrong to people who wanted representation or rights.  I am saying if the same heavy handed propagandized bullshit is still going on, we are NOT making progress, we have simply swapped out who is running the institutions, and those people seem very, very much obsessed with "getting even".  There is no getting even, there is living well and moving on.  Leftists are not interested even a little bit in doing that.  Some will mealy mouth how things are over the line, BUT well, since before other people were over the line yadda, yadda, yadda.   Just remember if it comes to an actual boil, violence will erupt, and all that stuff will mean exactly nothing.

When I said about coming for liberals, I wasn't talking about the 1960s. It's continued to be true long since. Consistently from the 1980s, the 1990s, and the 2000s, Republicans have continued to push for more government power -- through the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, and others. The Democrats have also been complicit in this -- but they haven't pushed as hard.

Even through the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, Republicans have continued to push for more police power - and cracking down on the rights of protesters and journalists. The journalists and protesters who have been arrested and imprisoned continued to be primarily liberal through 2011 at least. It's only in the late Obama and Trump era that I've seen any regrets from Republicans against expanding police power, and even then there hasn't been much substantial action taken to reduce police powers or expand civil rights.


So when you complain that we're not making progress and putting the blame on leftists -- that doesn't sit well with me. Yes, Democrats and leftists have been complicit in this - but I think it is a bipartisan issue that only a minority on both sides are supporting, and historically it has mainly been pushed by a minority of traditional liberals.

  2011...During the republican Obama administration..... Your immediate rebuttal to me mentioning a dude going to jail for EIGHT years for putting his feet on a desk is a list of liberals who spent a day in jail. That is where I have issue, in the 60's there was real violence and brutality, the occupy protests?  As your new POTUS says, C'MON MAN.   The left controls education, big tech, the government, literally every institution of the government.   You keep calling authoritarians right wing, I think you may want to wake up to the new left.  I honestly have zero taste for republicans, they have NOT been what I would call right wing or conservative for a long time, but it wouldnt matter to me anyway, I am not a conservative either.  I am the guy caught up in this bullshit, and from my position, the left is out of control.   If you want to make a wall of reasons why it is ok now for the left to rage out of control, go right ahead.  If you want to assume my support for an out of control police state (the Patriot act got ALOT of support from the left, just like invading Iraq did) go right ahead.  I have made it clear as crystal about where I stand, and I am irate with the ones in power, and there is no way shape or form of actual conservative or right wing control of the US government since Reagan.  I was against all the things you list as making a person liberal (which let's be honest, in your mind that means "good")to be against and I am against all the bullshit leftists push now.  You keep equating leftist with liberal, that is a long time gone. 

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.  I just watch people who were for these power structures (some republicans) bitch now that they work against them and people who were so much against these things (Leftists constantly bitched about corporations, now they cant STFU praising them) seem so in lock step now.  That is a problem, and it is going to get worse.

[Pat]

Jhkim, I guess what I expect from you is to speak to a specific issue and not drag up 60's whataboutism qualifiers every time you get a chance.  I suppose that is expecting too much.  I guess the really good news for you, is though you missed the 60's, it looks like the folks over on your side of this bullshit are going to bring 'em back.  Good job. 

   I am not arguing nothing has ever happened that was heavy handed or wrong to people who wanted representation or rights.  I am saying if the same heavy handed propagandized bullshit is still going on, we are NOT making progress, we have simply swapped out who is running the institutions, and those people seem very, very much obsessed with "getting even".  There is no getting even, there is living well and moving on.  Leftists are not interested even a little bit in doing that.  Some will mealy mouth how things are over the line, BUT well, since before other people were over the line yadda, yadda, yadda.   Just remember if it comes to an actual boil, violence will erupt, and all that stuff will mean exactly nothing.

When I said about coming for liberals, I wasn't talking about the 1960s. It's continued to be true long since. Consistently from the 1980s, the 1990s, and the 2000s, Republicans have continued to push for more government power -- through the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, and others. The Democrats have also been complicit in this -- but they haven't pushed as hard.

Even through the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, Republicans have continued to push for more police power - and cracking down on the rights of protesters and journalists. The journalists and protesters who have been arrested and imprisoned continued to be primarily liberal through 2011 at least. It's only in the late Obama and Trump era that I've seen any regrets from Republicans against expanding police power, and even then there hasn't been much substantial action taken to reduce police powers or expand civil rights.


So when you complain that we're not making progress and putting the blame on leftists -- that doesn't sit well with me. Yes, Democrats and leftists have been complicit in this - but I think it is a bipartisan issue that only a minority on both sides are supporting, and historically it has mainly been pushed by a minority of traditional liberals.

  2011...During the republican Obama administration..... Your immediate rebuttal to me mentioning a dude going to jail for EIGHT years for putting his feet on a desk is a list of liberals who spent a day in jail. That is where I have issue, in the 60's there was real violence and brutality, the occupy protests?  As your new POTUS says, C'MON MAN.   The left controls education, big tech, the government, literally every institution of the government.   You keep calling authoritarians right wing, I think you may want to wake up to the new left.  I honestly have zero taste for republicans, they have NOT been what I would call right wing or conservative for a long time, but it wouldnt matter to me anyway, I am not a conservative either.  I am the guy caught up in this bullshit, and from my position, the left is out of control.   If you want to make a wall of reasons why it is ok now for the left to rage out of control, go right ahead.  If you want to assume my support for an out of control police state (the Patriot act got ALOT of support from the left, just like invading Iraq did) go right ahead.  I have made it clear as crystal about where I stand, and I am irate with the ones in power, and there is no way shape or form of actual conservative or right wing control of the US government since Reagan.  I was against all the things you list as making a person liberal (which let's be honest, in your mind that means "good")to be against and I am against all the bullshit leftists push now.  You keep equating leftist with liberal, that is a long time gone. 

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.  I just watch people who were for these power structures (some republicans) bitch now that they work against them and people who were so much against these things (Leftists constantly bitched about corporations, now they cant STFU praising them) seem so in lock step now.  That is a problem, and it is going to get worse.

Agree with nearly all of this. John Kim was describing the law & order party, and the excesses of the Wars on Drugs and Terror. Which have led to severe curtailments of basic rights, from the militarization of police, to the vast growth of the prison populations, the increase in police (and state) immunity, domestic surveillance and massive infringements of privacy with at best a token review, and much, much more.

But this isn't the law & order party vs. the freedom party. It's the law & order and national defense party, and the other law & order and national defense party that voted in lockstop on things like the Patriot Act. You can argue that the second party is slightly weaker on the law & order and national defense, but only slightly, and they're much bigger in support of the growth in size and power of the government. Which has been documented by the staggering number of pages added to the Federal Register each year, and includes a enormous increase in the number of federal crimes and prosecutions, nearly all for inadvertent technical offenses (like all the new environment regs that apply to landowners). When you have one side that's pushing for power and control in a few specific areas, and the other side that's slightly weaker in pushing for power and control in those specific areas, but much stronger in pushing for power and control everywhere else, you can't exactly call party 2 the party of restraint.

And that was before the left went crazy.

[KingCheops]

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.

Remember when this was a liberal position?  Man those were better times...

[oggsmash]

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.

Remember when this was a liberal position?  Man those were better times...

  Well, I did think liberal = liberty and that was the position, now I do not know WTF anything is because there seems to be endless co opting or re defining of things.