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[moonsweeper]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

[Trinculoisdead]

Really appreciate the perspectives on all this offered in this interview vis-a-vis the political and philosophical divide in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RrYz85E1A

[Tubesock Army]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

Nope. Powell, get. al., were alleging specific acts of fraud and wrongdoing. Lacking any ability to prove this, they are likely to be ruined and publicly dragged. If Ii say repeatedly and publicly that someone robbed a bank, and make very specific allegations about bank robbery, I don't get to skate because they may have had had the capability to rob a bank. Dominion will make this as public and as painful as possible.

[moonsweeper]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

Nope. Powell, get. al., were alleging specific acts of fraud and wrongdoing. Lacking any ability to prove this, they are likely to be ruined and publicly dragged. If Ii say repeatedly and publicly that someone robbed a bank, and make very specific allegations about bank robbery, I don't get to skate because they may have had had the capability to rob a bank. Dominion will make this as public and as painful as possible.

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

[DocJones]

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

Well here's a link to the actual suit and the claims:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf

The contention isn't that voting machines might be susceptible to hacking by someone, it's that Powell claimed that Dominion was the perpetrator of fraud among other nutty claims relating to Chavez and the Georgia SoS.

[Tubesock Army]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

Nope. Powell, get. al., were alleging specific acts of fraud and wrongdoing. Lacking any ability to prove this, they are likely to be ruined and publicly dragged. If Ii say repeatedly and publicly that someone robbed a bank, and make very specific allegations about bank robbery, I don't get to skate because they may have had had the capability to rob a bank. Dominion will make this as public and as painful as possible.

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

[moonsweeper]

Well here's a link to the actual suit and the claims:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf

The contention isn't that voting machines might be susceptible to hacking by someone, it's that Powell claimed that Dominion was the perpetrator of fraud among other nutty claims relating to Chavez and the Georgia SoS.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

Yes...and all they have to do is show that the Dominion software altered/miscounted votes.

[Mistwell]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

Nope. Powell, get. al., were alleging specific acts of fraud and wrongdoing. Lacking any ability to prove this, they are likely to be ruined and publicly dragged. If Ii say repeatedly and publicly that someone robbed a bank, and make very specific allegations about bank robbery, I don't get to skate because they may have had had the capability to rob a bank. Dominion will make this as public and as painful as possible.

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

In the Weiss and Hickman sue WOTC thread a bunch of people here thought because they asked for millions and the case settled that meant they must have gotten millions or at least hundreds of thousands.

What it almost certainly meant was they just got the right to publish the books through Del Rey, and no actual money exchanged hands aside from whatever their signing bonus had been all along. But, people here were backing Weiss and Hickman and still just assume it means "HUGE win!"

And then we get to this thread and people are bitching about the lawsuit asking for tons of money unrealistically. Which is exactly what Weiss and Hickman did. But you know, white hats, get different assumptions than black hats do when they do the same things.

[Shasarak]

Well here's a link to the actual suit and the claims:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf

The contention isn't that voting machines might be susceptible to hacking by someone, it's that Powell claimed that Dominion was the perpetrator of fraud among other nutty claims relating to Chavez and the Georgia SoS.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

Yes...and all they have to do is show that the Dominion software altered/miscounted votes.

Or show them the John Oliver episode that shows how easy they are to hack.

[moonsweeper]

The issue for Dominion is that research showed that their machines could be tampered with easily.  There was discussion about this before the election but it was mostly ignored or pushed under the rug.  Then the 'fraud' claims ate up all the news cycles afterwards, but there wasn't as much emphasis on how insecure they actually were.

I think that will be the important factor during the lawsuits, not the 'allegations of fraud.'

Nope. Powell, get. al., were alleging specific acts of fraud and wrongdoing. Lacking any ability to prove this, they are likely to be ruined and publicly dragged. If Ii say repeatedly and publicly that someone robbed a bank, and make very specific allegations about bank robbery, I don't get to skate because they may have had had the capability to rob a bank. Dominion will make this as public and as painful as possible.

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

In the Weiss and Hickman sue WOTC thread a bunch of people here thought because they asked for millions and the case settled that meant they must have gotten millions or at least hundreds of thousands.

What it almost certainly meant was they just got the right to publish the books through Del Rey, and no actual money exchanged hands aside from whatever their signing bonus had been all along. But, people here were backing Weiss and Hickman and still just assume it means "HUGE win!"

And then we get to this thread and people are bitching about the lawsuit asking for tons of money unrealistically. Which is exactly what Weiss and Hickman did. But you know, white hats, get different assumptions than black hats do when they do the same things.

Uhhh...I didn't say anything about the Dragonlance suit.  Since I never really liked DL, I didn't care.  I did make a reference to Anne Westfall in the thread, if I remember correctly.

[Mistwell]

Well here's a link to the actual suit and the claims:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf

The contention isn't that voting machines might be susceptible to hacking by someone, it's that Powell claimed that Dominion was the perpetrator of fraud among other nutty claims relating to Chavez and the Georgia SoS.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

Yes...and all they have to do is show that the Dominion software altered/miscounted votes.

Or show them the John Oliver episode that shows how easy they are to hack.

LOL John Oliver is considered "proof" in your mind?

[Ghostmaker]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-sentenced-to-1-year-probation-for-altering-russia-probe-email/ar-BB1ddv5G

Wow. Just wow. I don't even know what to say. Evidently, falsifying official documents (for a secret court, no less) is just a slap on the wrist.

If our so-called betters were any more blatant, they'd be telling us to suck deez nuts.

[Tubesock Army]

Well here's a link to the actual suit and the claims:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_2.pdf

The contention isn't that voting machines might be susceptible to hacking by someone, it's that Powell claimed that Dominion was the perpetrator of fraud among other nutty claims relating to Chavez and the Georgia SoS.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

Yes...and all they have to do is show that the Dominion software altered/miscounted votes.

It's likely they'll need to do more than that, as they made far more serious and repeated allegations of specific wrongdoing. You don't get out of slander/libel simply because you can demonstrate that what you claimed very specifically happened is technically possible, in a much broader sense.

"Your honor, I accused this man of bank robbery. I can demonstrate that he has a car and a gun, and lives within two miles of a bank. Case closed."


"I will demonstrate to the court that this man I accused on television of child molestation has a penis and lives four blocks from a school. I win!"

Nah.

If the only claims Powell, Wood, Fruity G., et. al., had made was that cheating was possible, it's highly likely that there wouldn't even be a lawsuit. But when they start claiming that Hugo Chavez's ghost and George Soros took control of Dominion data/servers in Germany and altered hundreds of thousands of votes, you better believe that these specific claims are what the court - and especially Dominion's lawyers - will be focused on.

In other news, the Georgia State Bar is demanding that Lin Wood take a mental fitness test in order to retain his law license.

[EOTB]

Lefty left-brained people think there's a good outcome for them in this lawsuit

[jhkim]

If Dominion had it that easy, they would be going for legitimate settlement and not the 'intimidation' amount.  The problem they have is that there are records of the 'fraud' types that they have been accused of.  The real question is what comes up in discovery...and the security issues will be a major part of that.

Seeking much higher damages than you are likely to get is a tried and true legal strategy, and not necessarily an attempt at "intimidation". Besides, all Powell and Fruity Giuliani have to do is show the "ironclad" evidence, and I'm sure they'll be completely vindicated lmao.

Yes...and all they have to do is show that the Dominion software altered/miscounted votes.

Moonsweeper - can you specify what the evidence is that Dominion software altered or miscounted votes? The claim that I'm familiar with is a report on 37 out of 14,000 votes in Ware County, Georgia -- but that's misrepresented. There was no forensic analysis of the machines - there was just a difference between a hand count and the machine-based count, which was almost certainly human error rather than software.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9773239691

There have been claims about vulnerabilities - but often the claims are based on an unreasonable standard that the machines be completely hack-proof. If one assumes that the election officials running the machine are intent on fraud, then hacking the machine is unnecessary - they could just change the paper ballots instead. The real standard is - are elections using Dominion servers more vulnerable than using ES&S machines, hand count, or other methods?