Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[GeekyBugle]

The vaccine is perfectly safe you anti-vaxxer conspiratards!

https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/09/cdc-admits-post-vaccine-myocarditis-concerns-that-were-labeled-covid-misinformation-are-legit/

The lawyers are going to make bank on this. Guaranteed.

And for all the people saying, 'But Big Pharma was protected!', well, you might consider how the left has been trying to get around the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms act for a while, and in a couple states they're flat-out wiping their ass with it.

Oh, the victims will most likely never get full restitution, but I hope Big Pharm's got some amazing insurance policies and backup plans.

I think 3 class law suits should go:

Against the Pharmaceuticals
Against the Government
Against Social Media for censoring information.

Maybe add a fourth against the press but I don't think that one would ammount to anything.

The fourth should be against the government for colluding with social media to censor people and wipe their ass with the 1st ammendment.

[Ratman_tf]

The vaccine is perfectly safe you anti-vaxxer conspiratards!

https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/09/cdc-admits-post-vaccine-myocarditis-concerns-that-were-labeled-covid-misinformation-are-legit/

The lawyers are going to make bank on this. Guaranteed.

And for all the people saying, 'But Big Pharma was protected!', well, you might consider how the left has been trying to get around the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms act for a while, and in a couple states they're flat-out wiping their ass with it.

Oh, the victims will most likely never get full restitution, but I hope Big Pharm's got some amazing insurance policies and backup plans.

Lawsuits notoriously take years to resolve. I imagine the PREP act protections will at least delay and prolong any lawsuits into the time scale of decades.

[Kiero]

The lawyers are going to make bank on this. Guaranteed.

And for all the people saying, 'But Big Pharma was protected!', well, you might consider how the left has been trying to get around the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms act for a while, and in a couple states they're flat-out wiping their ass with it.

Oh, the victims will most likely never get full restitution, but I hope Big Pharm's got some amazing insurance policies and backup plans.

No amount of money can restore your health or give you back a foreshortened life.

[Kiero]

Published today by those anti-vaxxers at Harvard, John Hopkins et al: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4206070

From the Abstract:

We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one COVID-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable.

Up to 30,000 jabs are necessary to prevent one hospitalisation, but cause up to 98 "serious events" (including death) and thousands of adverse reactions.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

No amount of money can restore your health or give you back a foreshortened life.

No, but the legal precedent of a successful suit might make it less likely to happen again.

[Ratman_tf]

No amount of money can restore your health or give you back a foreshortened life.

No, but the legal precedent of a successful suit might make it less likely to happen again.

Before Covid, I might have agreed with that.

[3catcircus]

No amount of money can restore your health or give you back a foreshortened life.

No, but the legal precedent of a successful suit might make it less likely to happen again.

Before Covid, I might have agreed with that.

Concur. The only way to prevent this shit from happening again is to vote out every single elected official who supported it and ensure that they throw out all of the lower level appointees and career bureaucrats involved, and ensure that every corporate shareholder group does the same for corporations. Or go to war and kill them all.

[Kiero]

Concur. The only way to prevent this shit from happening again is to vote out every single elected official who supported it and ensure that they throw out all of the lower level appointees and career bureaucrats involved, and ensure that every corporate shareholder group does the same for corporations. Or go to war and kill them all.

Our respective establishments don't give a fuck about the people, voting or the law. I know which one of your options would actually solve the problem.

[3catcircus]

Concur. The only way to prevent this shit from happening again is to vote out every single elected official who supported it and ensure that they throw out all of the lower level appointees and career bureaucrats involved, and ensure that every corporate shareholder group does the same for corporations. Or go to war and kill them all.

Our respective establishments don't give a fuck about the people, voting or the law. I know which one of your options would actually solve the problem.

I do too. But its the need to turn a critical mass/geometry of people that is the difficult part.  IIRC, only about 10% of the colonials were involved in the whole throwing off the British yoke thing. We're so heterogeneous as nations now, it would take a much larger percentage to reach that critical mass) geometry.

[dkabq]

11 reasons an annual COVID-19 booster is NOT LIKE an annual flu shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USKDUvKmN5Q
https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1569693780743458816

Anyone care to take a tilt at refuting his points?

[Ghostmaker]

Concur. The only way to prevent this shit from happening again is to vote out every single elected official who supported it and ensure that they throw out all of the lower level appointees and career bureaucrats involved, and ensure that every corporate shareholder group does the same for corporations. Or go to war and kill them all.

Our respective establishments don't give a fuck about the people, voting or the law. I know which one of your options would actually solve the problem.

I do too. But its the need to turn a critical mass/geometry of people that is the difficult part.  IIRC, only about 10% of the colonials were involved in the whole throwing off the British yoke thing. We're so heterogeneous as nations now, it would take a much larger percentage to reach that critical mass) geometry.

The number I've seen is 3% (hence the 'Three Percenter' movement often touted as a bogeyman in lefty circles).

Hell, if you got one percent of Trump voters -- not the population, just his supporters -- you'd have a nightmare that'd make the Irish Troubles look like a kindergarten slapfight.

And there ain't nothin' civil about a civil war.

[3catcircus]

Concur. The only way to prevent this shit from happening again is to vote out every single elected official who supported it and ensure that they throw out all of the lower level appointees and career bureaucrats involved, and ensure that every corporate shareholder group does the same for corporations. Or go to war and kill them all.

Our respective establishments don't give a fuck about the people, voting or the law. I know which one of your options would actually solve the problem.

I do too. But its the need to turn a critical mass/geometry of people that is the difficult part.  IIRC, only about 10% of the colonials were involved in the whole throwing off the British yoke thing. We're so heterogeneous as nations now, it would take a much larger percentage to reach that critical mass) geometry.

The number I've seen is 3% (hence the 'Three Percenter' movement often touted as a bogeyman in lefty circles).

Hell, if you got one percent of Trump voters -- not the population, just his supporters -- you'd have a nightmare that'd make the Irish Troubles look like a kindergarten slapfight.

And there ain't nothin' civil about a civil war.

I stand corrected on the percent.

I think a lot of this current hate and discontent would simply go away if the vast majority of people would do the following, because then corporations, elitists and lawmakers hold less sway over your life.

1. Move out of cities. Don't buy more house then you need.
2. Grow your own food (start small with a few easy veg and then work your way up to chickens and it's enough for most people).
3. Buy a well-made rifle. Doesn't need to be Gucci. And train with it regularly - where you'll likely meet other similarly-minded individuals.
4. Stop spending so much time consuming media other than actual books. Know that everything you see or read in the news is completely false. This is also how you avoid spending more than you can afford on unnecessary "needs."
5. Get your ass to the gym or walk a goodly distance each day.
6. Don't take on more responsibility at work - do as little as possible in your 9-5 and spend your free time working your side hustle until you can quit working for someone else.
7. Practice the religion of your choice. Despite fringe elements in all of them, almost every religion's mainstream tenets align with self-sufficient ethical and moral behavior.
8. Run for public office. Only stay 2 terms. This is a tough one because of the ease with which you can be corrupted, but getting a majority of non-politicians elected is the only way to make the professional politician go extinct.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

I think a lot of this current hate and discontent would simply go away if the vast majority of people would do the following, because then corporations, elitists and lawmakers hold less sway over your life.

1. Move out of cities. Don't buy more house then you need.
2. Grow your own food (start small with a few easy veg and then work your way up to chickens and it's enough for most people).
3. Buy a well-made rifle. Doesn't need to be Gucci. And train with it regularly - where you'll likely meet other similarly-minded individuals.
4. Stop spending so much time consuming media other than actual books. Know that everything you see or read in the news is completely false. This is also how you avoid spending more than you can afford on unnecessary "needs."
5. Get your ass to the gym or walk a goodly distance each day.
6. Don't take on more responsibility at work - do as little as possible in your 9-5 and spend your free time working your side hustle until you can quit working for someone else.
7. Practice the religion of your choice. Despite fringe elements in all of them, almost every religion's mainstream tenets align with self-sufficient ethical and moral behavior.
8. Run for public office. Only stay 2 terms. This is a tough one because of the ease with which you can be corrupted, but getting a majority of non-politicians elected is the only way to make the professional politician go extinct.

These are all really good ideas, but I think most of them would be more difficult to implement en masse than they sound, primarily because they're all riffs on a basic philosophy that is completely counter to most of how modern civilization is structured: They're all examples of taking up in-house responsibility rather than outsourcing to a gatekeeper specialist. And once the gatekeepers are in place, the best you can do is maintain a mechanism for replacing them when they're corrupted, because it is very rare that you will be able to dispense with them completely without unacceptable efficiency losses. (Indie publishing came close to breaking traditional publishing's hold on the book market with the rise of Amazon, but now the gatekeepers you have to please are the controllers of Amazon's promotion algorithms rather than the chief editors in Manhattan.)

Niche specialization is simply a more efficient way to run almost any cooperative endeavour than universal generalization; it's very labour- and energy-intensive to reverse that structure and sustain a society that avoids it. Even in any universally flexible point-design RPG system you can name where it's not required, adventuring parties almost always wind up with individuals optimized for specific functions rather than all of them being generalists.

[3catcircus]

I think a lot of this current hate and discontent would simply go away if the vast majority of people would do the following, because then corporations, elitists and lawmakers hold less sway over your life.

1. Move out of cities. Don't buy more house then you need.
2. Grow your own food (start small with a few easy veg and then work your way up to chickens and it's enough for most people).
3. Buy a well-made rifle. Doesn't need to be Gucci. And train with it regularly - where you'll likely meet other similarly-minded individuals.
4. Stop spending so much time consuming media other than actual books. Know that everything you see or read in the news is completely false. This is also how you avoid spending more than you can afford on unnecessary "needs."
5. Get your ass to the gym or walk a goodly distance each day.
6. Don't take on more responsibility at work - do as little as possible in your 9-5 and spend your free time working your side hustle until you can quit working for someone else.
7. Practice the religion of your choice. Despite fringe elements in all of them, almost every religion's mainstream tenets align with self-sufficient ethical and moral behavior.
8. Run for public office. Only stay 2 terms. This is a tough one because of the ease with which you can be corrupted, but getting a majority of non-politicians elected is the only way to make the professional politician go extinct.

These are all really good ideas, but I think most of them would be more difficult to implement en masse than they sound, primarily because they're all riffs on a basic philosophy that is completely counter to most of how modern civilization is structured: They're all examples of taking up in-house responsibility rather than outsourcing to a gatekeeper specialist. And once the gatekeepers are in place, the best you can do is maintain a mechanism for replacing them when they're corrupted, because it is very rare that you will be able to dispense with them completely without unacceptable efficiency losses. (Indie publishing came close to breaking traditional publishing's hold on the book market with the rise of Amazon, but now the gatekeepers you have to please are the controllers of Amazon's promotion algorithms rather than the chief editors in Manhattan.)

Niche specialization is simply a more efficient way to run almost any cooperative endeavour than universal generalization; it's very labour- and energy-intensive to reverse that structure and sustain a society that avoids it. Even in any universally flexible point-design RPG system you can name where it's not required, adventuring parties almost always wind up with individuals optimized for specific functions rather than all of them being generalists.

They're difficult to enact because people are addicted to self-destructive keeping up with the Joneses.

I'm just as guilty of it. I spend too much on my 9-5 and not enough on my side hustle. I don't get as much exercise as I should. I don't grow lots of different veg.  But - I don't live in a crime-ridden Dem- run shithole city. I don't watch a lot of TV or mindlessly surf Facebook and TikTok. I walk a good distance each day. We try to eat without it being extravagantly expensive (cooking for yourself is so much less costly than takeout or dining out) and we butcher whole chickens instead of buying a pack pre-butchered, buy a full ribeye and break it into steaks, etc., even if having two teenage student-athletes means they eat a week's worth of food for a single lunch...

We don't keep subscriptions we aren't using (ditched SiriusXM when they fired Anthony Cumia, ditched Paramount+ and Peacock before free trial was up, etc.) where its just pennies a day that actually add up and the companies make it difficult to cancel because it is less hassle to keep it if you aren't using it. That's close to$600 per year if we were unwilling to have to deal with the hassle and just let them take free money each month.

We buy coffee in bulk and grind and make it ourselves using a pourover with a steel mesh filter. $50/month for coffee is a lot cheaper than $5-$10/day.

We vote in every election cycle and actually study the candidates. Your first race as a Dem and I like what I'm seeing? I'll give you a shot. 8 term Republican and my taxes aren't single digits and my roads aren't pegged in gold? Sorry, you're not getting my vote.

And that's all literally what it takes to get rid of bad government and bad corporatism - having to exert a little bit of effort. Most people are lazy as fuck and won't even do the minimum, given half a chance...

[Kiero]

I do too. But its the need to turn a critical mass/geometry of people that is the difficult part.  IIRC, only about 10% of the colonials were involved in the whole throwing off the British yoke thing. We're so heterogeneous as nations now, it would take a much larger percentage to reach that critical mass) geometry.

The "British yoke" was incredibly light and absent-minded, not to mention that lots of British people agreed with the colonists. There was never more than a half-hearted attempt to retain the 13 Colonies, not when contrasted with the greater value from retaining India.

Furthermore, most of the fighting was between Americans, Loyalist versus Patriot militias. The Revolutionary War was primarily a civil war, rather than an independence war.