Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Kiero]

You really have been drinking your own piss, haven't you?

But please, SHOW the causation you speak of and PROVE that the correlation doesn't fit in the direction I've described.

Also Israel (which is further ahead on the jabbination carousel than anywhere else): https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated*' says Ichilov hospital director. Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

*Which means three or four jabs. Does this show that it's working? So much for "reduces serious symptoms"...

How much of a tool are you going to feel when you realise you subjected yourself to experimentation for no reason whatsoever?

[GeekyBugle]

You really have been drinking your own piss, haven't you?

But please, SHOW the causation you speak of and PROVE that the correlation doesn't fit in the direction I've described.

Also Israel (which is further ahead on the jabbination carousel than anywhere else): https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated*' says Ichilov hospital director. Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

*Which means three or four jabs. Does this show that it's working? So much for "reduces serious symptoms"...

How much of a tool are you going to feel when you realise you subjected yourself to experimentation for no reason whatsoever?

We only need for people to get the fifth jab...

[jhkim]

My views on American foreign policy have changed--somewhat--since I was on active duty, but not much. Now, I'm less hawkish, and more reserved. (Yeah, less Hawkish. You are probably surprised by that; but nonetheless, I am). I think it comes with parts of experience, age, and education. Perhaps just the wisdom of age to pause and consider things a bit more deeply than when in the rush and fury of youth.

I am definitely more jaded and suspicious of the feeral government, of their justifications, of their whole ideology about war. See, in the Marines, (and I suspect it's the same or my brother veterans from other branches)--it's all about defending America, standing against tyranny, and just saying fuck it and putting our boot wherever we like, 'cause we are the biggest fucking dog on the block.

It's not so much considering war-profiteering, investments for Arms companies, cookies for Senators and Congressmen, lobbying gigs, and all this other bullshit. As an older adult and citizen--I'm much more aware of all those kinds of considerations, now, than when I was younger.

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

[Ghostmaker]

My views on American foreign policy have changed--somewhat--since I was on active duty, but not much. Now, I'm less hawkish, and more reserved. (Yeah, less Hawkish. You are probably surprised by that; but nonetheless, I am). I think it comes with parts of experience, age, and education. Perhaps just the wisdom of age to pause and consider things a bit more deeply than when in the rush and fury of youth.

I am definitely more jaded and suspicious of the feeral government, of their justifications, of their whole ideology about war. See, in the Marines, (and I suspect it's the same or my brother veterans from other branches)--it's all about defending America, standing against tyranny, and just saying fuck it and putting our boot wherever we like, 'cause we are the biggest fucking dog on the block.

It's not so much considering war-profiteering, investments for Arms companies, cookies for Senators and Congressmen, lobbying gigs, and all this other bullshit. As an older adult and citizen--I'm much more aware of all those kinds of considerations, now, than when I was younger.

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

At some point, the piper must be paid. We do not have infinite resources to act as the world's policeman.

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

[Shasarak]

I hear a lot of virtue signalling coming from people who live in countries that came in late to fight the Nazis.

I mean, better late then never but sheesh.

[SHARK]

My views on American foreign policy have changed--somewhat--since I was on active duty, but not much. Now, I'm less hawkish, and more reserved. (Yeah, less Hawkish. You are probably surprised by that; but nonetheless, I am). I think it comes with parts of experience, age, and education. Perhaps just the wisdom of age to pause and consider things a bit more deeply than when in the rush and fury of youth.

I am definitely more jaded and suspicious of the feeral government, of their justifications, of their whole ideology about war. See, in the Marines, (and I suspect it's the same or my brother veterans from other branches)--it's all about defending America, standing against tyranny, and just saying fuck it and putting our boot wherever we like, 'cause we are the biggest fucking dog on the block.

It's not so much considering war-profiteering, investments for Arms companies, cookies for Senators and Congressmen, lobbying gigs, and all this other bullshit. As an older adult and citizen--I'm much more aware of all those kinds of considerations, now, than when I was younger.

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

Greetings!

Yes, o course it was righteous for America and the Allies to fucking crush Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire in World War II.

Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire STARTED THE FUCKING WAR BY INVADING PEOPLE.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[SHARK]

My views on American foreign policy have changed--somewhat--since I was on active duty, but not much. Now, I'm less hawkish, and more reserved. (Yeah, less Hawkish. You are probably surprised by that; but nonetheless, I am). I think it comes with parts of experience, age, and education. Perhaps just the wisdom of age to pause and consider things a bit more deeply than when in the rush and fury of youth.

I am definitely more jaded and suspicious of the feeral government, of their justifications, of their whole ideology about war. See, in the Marines, (and I suspect it's the same or my brother veterans from other branches)--it's all about defending America, standing against tyranny, and just saying fuck it and putting our boot wherever we like, 'cause we are the biggest fucking dog on the block.

It's not so much considering war-profiteering, investments for Arms companies, cookies for Senators and Congressmen, lobbying gigs, and all this other bullshit. As an older adult and citizen--I'm much more aware of all those kinds of considerations, now, than when I was younger.

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

At some point, the piper must be paid. We do not have infinite resources to act as the world's policeman.

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

Greetings!

Yeah, my friend! Fuck the Nazis! The Nazis have been defeated or 75 years now.

How abut the fucking Communists? How about the fucking Communists trying to overthrow our country RIGHT FUCKING NOW?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ratman_tf]

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

Hitler literally killed himself, and the whole Nazi party went down the tubes. He quit. (He was likely going to get shot anyway, but still.)

The commies were smarter. They didn't give up. They kept at it. Changing their tactics and approaches.

[jhkim]

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

At some point, the piper must be paid. We do not have infinite resources to act as the world's policeman.

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

In all my recent posts, I have referred to the Korean War as an example of a justified war - which is a stand against the tyranny of communism. Since my father was born and grew up in what is now North Korea, I'm very aware of that. Did you miss that, or are you discounting it for some reason? I've also discussed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an example of tyranny that we should have and did oppose - though we did it poorly by funding Osama Bin Laden and other mujahideen. Again, that's communist tyranny.

Again - my examples of wars I think justified are WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War. While these were expensive - the problem of cost in modern times is primarily from constant intervention in civil wars and attempts at regime change - like Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

When there is a one-sided military invasion where one side outright invades another to conquer - that is wrong, and a clear justification to intervene to restore order.

[Ghostmaker]

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

At some point, the piper must be paid. We do not have infinite resources to act as the world's policeman.

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

In all my recent posts, I have referred to the Korean War as an example of a justified war - which is a stand against the tyranny of communism. Since my father was born and grew up in what is now North Korea, I'm very aware of that. Did you miss that, or are you discounting it for some reason? I've also discussed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an example of tyranny that we should have and did oppose - though we did it poorly by funding Osama Bin Laden and other mujahideen. Again, that's communist tyranny.

Again - my examples of wars I think justified are WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War. While these were expensive - the problem of cost in modern times is primarily from constant intervention in civil wars and attempts at regime change - like Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

When there is a one-sided military invasion where one side outright invades another to conquer - that is wrong, and a clear justification to intervene to restore order.

Again: who pays for this Pax Americana?

Because I got news for you, WE are the ones who have been paying. In blood, cash, and toil.

Welcome to the new world. Where American arms and men will no longer be available to hide behind.

[GeekyBugle]

That's cool. On this one point, at least, it seems like our views are coming closer. I grew up aware of war-profiteering and arms company investments, so that's long been a part of my consideration. In the past, conservatives would attack me for complaining about those. So I'm glad to hear we are closer to agreement on that.

On the other hand, do you agree with oggsmash that we were wrong to fight the Nazis? I would agree that there was war profiteering during WWII, but I think the other reasons for fighting outweighed that. You did say that you still approve of "standing against tyranny" - and I think WWII did do that.

At some point, the piper must be paid. We do not have infinite resources to act as the world's policeman.

What's more, I hear a lot about 'standing against the tyranny' of the Nazis, but standing against the tyranny of communism? Not so much.

In all my recent posts, I have referred to the Korean War as an example of a justified war - which is a stand against the tyranny of communism. Since my father was born and grew up in what is now North Korea, I'm very aware of that. Did you miss that, or are you discounting it for some reason? I've also discussed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an example of tyranny that we should have and did oppose - though we did it poorly by funding Osama Bin Laden and other mujahideen. Again, that's communist tyranny.

Again - my examples of wars I think justified are WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War. While these were expensive - the problem of cost in modern times is primarily from constant intervention in civil wars and attempts at regime change - like Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

When there is a one-sided military invasion where one side outright invades another to conquer - that is wrong, and a clear justification to intervene to restore order.

Again: who pays for this Pax Americana?

Because I got news for you, WE are the ones who have been paying. In blood, cash, and toil.

Welcome to the new world. Where American arms and men will no longer be available to hide behind.

IF the majority of a country was clamoring for the world to intervene I would agree with it. But the warmongers always choose where to go while turning a blind eye towards China.

And in these days you don't need to go kill people to destroy a regime, just stop making bussiness with them. If all the world united behind Ukraine and threatened to do so, you bet Russia wouldn't invade?

If we all did the same with China regarding Hong Kong, Taiwan, the Huygurs and all their other human rights violations, what do you think would happen?

But our overlords made sure we can't do that, or else we risk not having any medicine... Fucking traitors.

[jhkim]

In all my recent posts, I have referred to the Korean War as an example of a justified war - which is a stand against the tyranny of communism. Since my father was born and grew up in what is now North Korea, I'm very aware of that. Did you miss that, or are you discounting it for some reason? I've also discussed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an example of tyranny that we should have and did oppose - though we did it poorly by funding Osama Bin Laden and other mujahideen. Again, that's communist tyranny.

Again - my examples of wars I think justified are WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War. While these were expensive - the problem of cost in modern times is primarily from constant intervention in civil wars and attempts at regime change - like Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

When there is a one-sided military invasion where one side outright invades another to conquer - that is wrong, and a clear justification to intervene to restore order.

Again: who pays for this Pax Americana?

Because I got news for you, WE are the ones who have been paying. In blood, cash, and toil.

Welcome to the new world. Where American arms and men will no longer be available to hide behind.

Ghostmaker, are you seriously claiming that it was only *American* blood, cash, and toil that was paid in WWII?!? The war was costly for the U.S., sure, but I find it hard to argue that Britain and other allies were sitting back and hiding behind American arms and men. The UK also contributed heavily to the Gulf War, in both cash and forces. The majority of the Gulf War cash expense was paid by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, who contributed $32 billion. All of the wars I cited had mixed allied forces. Britain and France contributed less to the Korean War - but to be fair, their countries had been much more devastated by WWII at the time.

In general, I think everyone should pay. The U.S. has an outsized military budget, and I would agree to reducing it - but that doesn't mean not participating. It means participating in proportion to others. If our allies are contributing 0.X% of their GDP, we should contribute similarly.

(Also, you seem to have dropped your point about communism without answering.)

[Kiero]

In general, I think everyone should pay. The U.S. has an outsized military budget, and I would agree to reducing it - but that doesn't mean not participating. It means participating in proportion to others. If our allies are contributing 0.X% of their GDP, we should contribute similarly.

Good luck with that. Germany thinks the only point of military budgets is to sell arms to their allies. They have no interest in actually deploying any of it themselves.

[Zirunel]

In general, I think everyone should pay. The U.S. has an outsized military budget, and I would agree to reducing it - but that doesn't mean not participating. It means participating in proportion to others. If our allies are contributing 0.X% of their GDP, we should contribute similarly.

Good luck with that. Germany thinks the only point of military budgets is to sell arms to their allies. They have no interest in actually deploying any of it themselves.

Germany? Germany has severe constitutional limits on use of military force abroad, that's been true since it was even allowed to have armed forces after WWII, for pretty obvious historical reasons. Yes it's a German concern, but originally an Allied concern. What's your point?

[Ghostmaker]

In all my recent posts, I have referred to the Korean War as an example of a justified war - which is a stand against the tyranny of communism. Since my father was born and grew up in what is now North Korea, I'm very aware of that. Did you miss that, or are you discounting it for some reason? I've also discussed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an example of tyranny that we should have and did oppose - though we did it poorly by funding Osama Bin Laden and other mujahideen. Again, that's communist tyranny.

Again - my examples of wars I think justified are WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War. While these were expensive - the problem of cost in modern times is primarily from constant intervention in civil wars and attempts at regime change - like Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

When there is a one-sided military invasion where one side outright invades another to conquer - that is wrong, and a clear justification to intervene to restore order.

Again: who pays for this Pax Americana?

Because I got news for you, WE are the ones who have been paying. In blood, cash, and toil.

Welcome to the new world. Where American arms and men will no longer be available to hide behind.

Ghostmaker, are you seriously claiming that it was only *American* blood, cash, and toil that was paid in WWII?!? The war was costly for the U.S., sure, but I find it hard to argue that Britain and other allies were sitting back and hiding behind American arms and men. The UK also contributed heavily to the Gulf War, in both cash and forces. The majority of the Gulf War cash expense was paid by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, who contributed $32 billion. All of the wars I cited had mixed allied forces. Britain and France contributed less to the Korean War - but to be fair, their countries had been much more devastated by WWII at the time.

In general, I think everyone should pay. The U.S. has an outsized military budget, and I would agree to reducing it - but that doesn't mean not participating. It means participating in proportion to others. If our allies are contributing 0.X% of their GDP, we should contribute similarly.

This has been a problem for a while. NATO members have been falling down on their requirements for some time. And every time something goes sideways, it's 'America to the rescue'. They are NOT contributing. Hell, Trump called them out on it only to have everyone clutching their pearls about 'how dare he insult our allies'. Allies? We've been their fucking janissaries.

(Also, you seem to have dropped your point about communism without answering.)

Because you hid behind your father when I was making the point about certain people being gung-ho to go to war against some people, but strangely reticent for others. Namely, Nazism vs Communism. Despite the fact the latter was FAR more murderous and destructive.

So yeah, no point in continuing.