Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian

[KingCheops]

She's a fighter who had positioned herself as someone fighting against internet bullies from her first "controversial" beep/bop/boop post.  Everything she posted taken in that light makes perfect, logical sense.  But as she claimed the "media coach" told her in her Shapiro interview she can't use logic when people are having an emotional response.

We're in a post-truth, post-logic society now.  Adios Enlightenment values.  Hello irrational cry babies.  Now go buy more stuff on credit plebes!

[Ratman_tf]

I'm reluctant to post rumors because they're just that, rumors. But this is especially interesting.

[subego]

(But, then again, he's 4.05 billion dollars richer, so he may not give it a damn... lol!)

As a quick aside, he gave it away.

I've heard it described as a pointed move on this part. He didn't just sell Star Wars, he washed his hands of it.

[Ratman_tf]

(But, then again, he's 4.05 billion dollars richer, so he may not give it a damn... lol!)

As a quick aside, he gave it away.

I've heard it described as a pointed move on this part. He didn't just sell Star Wars, he washed his hands of it.

*google google*

Huh. If money wasn't an issue, I thought it would be neat if Gl had simply, voluntarily put Star Wars in the public domain. (Not sure how that would actually work legally. I doubt it's a common occurance to donate an IP instead of clinging onto it legally for decades.)

Note that if GL did want to wash his hands of Star Wars, he spends a lot of time hanging out the set of The Mandalorian. Seller's remorse and all that.

[subego]

Note that if GL did want to wash his hands of Star Wars, he spends a lot of time hanging out the set of The Mandalorian. Seller's remorse and all that.

I had forgotten the point which hit the idea home for me. He made the conscious choice not to let his children inherit Star Wars. I mean, yeah... they'll inherit money, but there won't be any Star Wars dynasty. I can see him regretting both now that the prequel burn has cooled.

[Ratman_tf]

Note that if GL did want to wash his hands of Star Wars, he spends a lot of time hanging out the set of The Mandalorian. Seller's remorse and all that.

I had forgotten the point which hit the idea home for me. He made the conscious choice not to let his children inherit Star Wars. I mean, yeah... they'll inherit money, but there won't be any Star Wars dynasty. I can see him regretting both now that the prequel burn has cooled.

With the benefit of hindsight, Lucas should have spent more time grooming a sucessor from within Lucasfilm or bringing in someone from the outside (Like Favreau). Leave his kids a fair chunk of the company to inherit.
This whole lock, stock and barrel sale to Disney was the worst of all relevant decisions.

[KingCheops]

Note that if GL did want to wash his hands of Star Wars, he spends a lot of time hanging out the set of The Mandalorian. Seller's remorse and all that.

I had forgotten the point which hit the idea home for me. He made the conscious choice not to let his children inherit Star Wars. I mean, yeah... they'll inherit money, but there won't be any Star Wars dynasty. I can see him regretting both now that the prequel burn has cooled.

With the benefit of hindsight, Lucas should have spent more time grooming a sucessor from within Lucasfilm or bringing in someone from the outside (Like Favreau). Leave his kids a fair chunk of the company to inherit.
This whole lock, stock and barrel sale to Disney was the worst of all relevant decisions.

He was.  And his creative successor is still there.  Filoni is Lucas now.  Problem is that cunt Kennedy was left in charge and is reportedly trying to remove the Favreau/Filoni faction because they don't produce unwatchable crap.

[Shasarak]

Lucas had his chance.

[SHARK]

Lucas had his chance.

Greetings!

Yep, Shasarak, I agree. It is certainly an artistic and cultural *loss*--to have the whole Star Wars legacy go into the sewer, instead of the responsible hands of a custodian that loves and cherishes and respects the Star Wars legacy and franchise. That aspect, to me, is sadly frustrating, and entirely lamentable. It's fucking bullshit, you know?

Having said that, Lucas has been a moron from the beginning of whenever he decided to "Retire" and get rid of Star Wars. Artistically, he's had moments of brilliance, and even while he is a billionaire now, I think there is space and merit for believing that financially, and especially artistically in regards to the preservation and custodianship of the Star Wars legacy, Lucas has been a failure and a moron. The whole prequel series also demonstrates Lucas's artistic limitations, as well. Many professional art and film people--far more versed in this stuff than I am--have said that whatever level of writing/directing/artistic brilliance Lucas had back in the day, has clearly eroded and declined over the years.

So, I don't know. Fuck Lucas, you know? Fuck Star Wars, as far as that goes as well. For myself, star Wars will remain a beloved series encompassed by the *first* trilogy, honestly. Perhaps the second one as well, as I don't think they were terrible. After the second trilogy though, with all the feminist, woke bullshit? The franchise has died, and is now utterly worthless and irrelevant. At least to me.

I can't even remember most things from any of the recent Star Wars movies, even the second trilogy. It's all a rather mediocre blur of lines, feeble plots, and blandness. Strangely, though, my memories of scenes, awesome lines, and stunning visuals from the original Star Wars trilogy remains fresh, sharp, and vivid--despite that trilogy being watched from...a time, long, long ago...

When the original Star Wars movie came out, I went with my best friend--we were kids--and we stood in line for fucking *hours* to see the film. It was crazy in those days. I remember the first movie well, and the following movies in that trilogy were also fucking awesome and brilliant, and have stayed with me ever since as fantastic memories. Just think of the first time you watched Obi Wan duel against Darth Vader! Or one of Vader's great arrivals on board a battleship, and so on. Solo and the rest making a daring escape in the Millennium Falcon, cracking jokes along the way. Luke rising in mastery and knowledge of the Force. It was all so epic, and so cool, and so well done, in every aspect. The films made since those days just seem like lots of flash and colour, lots of shallow virtue signaling, but no real substance. There's nothing *there* that's worthwhile to remember.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[GeekyBugle]

Lucas had his chance.

Greetings!

Yep, Shasarak, I agree. It is certainly an artistic and cultural *loss*--to have the whole Star Wars legacy go into the sewer, instead of the responsible hands of a custodian that loves and cherishes and respects the Star Wars legacy and franchise. That aspect, to me, is sadly frustrating, and entirely lamentable. It's fucking bullshit, you know?

Having said that, Lucas has been a moron from the beginning of whenever he decided to "Retire" and get rid of Star Wars. Artistically, he's had moments of brilliance, and even while he is a billionaire now, I think there is space and merit for believing that financially, and especially artistically in regards to the preservation and custodianship of the Star Wars legacy, Lucas has been a failure and a moron. The whole prequel series also demonstrates Lucas's artistic limitations, as well. Many professional art and film people--far more versed in this stuff than I am--have said that whatever level of writing/directing/artistic brilliance Lucas had back in the day, has clearly eroded and declined over the years.

So, I don't know. Fuck Lucas, you know? Fuck Star Wars, as far as that goes as well. For myself, star Wars will remain a beloved series encompassed by the *first* trilogy, honestly. Perhaps the second one as well, as I don't think they were terrible. After the second trilogy though, with all the feminist, woke bullshit? The franchise has died, and is now utterly worthless and irrelevant. At least to me.

I can't even remember most things from any of the recent Star Wars movies, even the second trilogy. It's all a rather mediocre blur of lines, feeble plots, and blandness. Strangely, though, my memories of scenes, awesome lines, and stunning visuals from the original Star Wars trilogy remains fresh, sharp, and vivid--despite that trilogy being watched from...a time, long, long ago...

When the original Star Wars movie came out, I went with my best friend--we were kids--and we stood in line for fucking *hours* to see the film. It was crazy in those days. I remember the first movie well, and the following movies in that trilogy were also fucking awesome and brilliant, and have stayed with me ever since as fantastic memories. Just think of the first time you watched Obi Wan duel against Darth Vader! Or one of Vader's great arrivals on board a battleship, and so on. Solo and the rest making a daring escape in the Millennium Falcon, cracking jokes along the way. Luke rising in mastery and knowledge of the Force. It was all so epic, and so cool, and so well done, in every aspect. The films made since those days just seem like lots of flash and colour, lots of shallow virtue signaling, but no real substance. There's nothing *there* that's worthwhile to remember.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hello brother!

I agree, fuck Lucas, he sold the IP and now comes crying that they aren't doing things like he wishes... While he whipes his tears with the 4+ billion dollars they gave him for it.

Fuck him in the ass with a rusty barb wire wrapped baseball bat.

[jhkim]

So, I don't know. Fuck Lucas, you know? Fuck Star Wars, as far as that goes as well. For myself, star Wars will remain a beloved series encompassed by the *first* trilogy, honestly. Perhaps the second one as well, as I don't think they were terrible. After the second trilogy though, with all the feminist, woke bullshit? The franchise has died, and is now utterly worthless and irrelevant. At least to me.

I can't even remember most things from any of the recent Star Wars movies, even the second trilogy. It's all a rather mediocre blur of lines, feeble plots, and blandness. Strangely, though, my memories of scenes, awesome lines, and stunning visuals from the original Star Wars trilogy remains fresh, sharp, and vivid--despite that trilogy being watched from...a time, long, long ago...

I loved the original trilogy, and of later material, I liked Rogue One and The Mandalorian - but the rest was terrible. George Lucas' best work was early in his career - I feel like it was he was best collaborating with others who helped implement his ideas, but I don't know details of how stuff was made.

The biggest, though, is the whole premise of the clones. This was one of the most senseless plot twists in the prequels -- where the Jedi are gifted a slave army from an unknown source, and the Jedi simply accept and use this slave army. The Clone Wars series tries to slightly address the issue of clones at times -- by making different clones to be individuals, and delving into their character and motivations. However, to me, some of that just highlights how the whole situation is senseless.

But it wasn't unknown. It was comissioned for the Republic by Master Sifo Diyas, created on Kamino, and then confirmed by Chancellor Palpaine when the Seperatists started open hostilites on Geonosis.

It's kinda hard to turn down a slave army when you have a million Battle Droids breathing down your neck. The Republic can sort all that stuff out later when the crisis is over. (tongue firmly in cheek on that last one)

Another example of something I didn't have a problem with in concept, more that Lucas did a poor job of telling an ambitious story, reminicent of something like Dune or Foundation, in that he was setting up some galaxy spanning events, and the dude just didn't have the chops he used to. (If he ever had, that's another argument)

I thought they did a poor job of telling the story as well, but I also thought the core concept was dumb. Sifo Dyas was a name given, but it was never confirmed how or why he did it. No one in the Jedi council or the Senate had any idea that the army was being created - which ought to be a pretty huge red flag.

The Jedi are first of all stupid for blindly accepting and trusting the slave army. (They could have used them without trusting them, note.) And further, they are morally bankrupt for using a slave army, without giving them their freedom and insisting that slavery is wrong. The Republic could have stepped up drafting and training a regular military, which would have taken over before the end of the wars. Plus, they should have devoted at least a lab to studying everything about the clones to know what all their orders are, for example.

I mean seriously, how the hell does the Old Republic not have a functioning military? That's just dumb.

[Samsquantch]

Star Wars is dead to me too. I saw A New Hope 47 times in theatre as kid back in the days where you didn't have to spend $100 for two people and popcorn and drinks. I've seen the last trilogy only once and they were the first that I did not go to theatre to see on opening day, in fact I didn't see them in theatres at all.

The first trilogy succeeded in part because Lucas based it on the archetype of the hero's journey which has survived from the writing of the Epic of Gilgamesh to recently when it seems to have been killed by wokeness.

The last good movie was Rogue One and The Mandalorian is by far better than the last six of the main trilogy.

It's just dead now beyond those two.

[Ratman_tf]

So, I don't know. Fuck Lucas, you know? Fuck Star Wars, as far as that goes as well. For myself, star Wars will remain a beloved series encompassed by the *first* trilogy, honestly. Perhaps the second one as well, as I don't think they were terrible. After the second trilogy though, with all the feminist, woke bullshit? The franchise has died, and is now utterly worthless and irrelevant. At least to me.

I can't even remember most things from any of the recent Star Wars movies, even the second trilogy. It's all a rather mediocre blur of lines, feeble plots, and blandness. Strangely, though, my memories of scenes, awesome lines, and stunning visuals from the original Star Wars trilogy remains fresh, sharp, and vivid--despite that trilogy being watched from...a time, long, long ago...

I loved the original trilogy, and of later material, I liked Rogue One and The Mandalorian - but the rest was terrible. George Lucas' best work was early in his career - I feel like it was he was best collaborating with others who helped implement his ideas, but I don't know details of how stuff was made.

The biggest, though, is the whole premise of the clones. This was one of the most senseless plot twists in the prequels -- where the Jedi are gifted a slave army from an unknown source, and the Jedi simply accept and use this slave army. The Clone Wars series tries to slightly address the issue of clones at times -- by making different clones to be individuals, and delving into their character and motivations. However, to me, some of that just highlights how the whole situation is senseless.

But it wasn't unknown. It was comissioned for the Republic by Master Sifo Diyas, created on Kamino, and then confirmed by Chancellor Palpaine when the Seperatists started open hostilites on Geonosis.

It's kinda hard to turn down a slave army when you have a million Battle Droids breathing down your neck. The Republic can sort all that stuff out later when the crisis is over. (tongue firmly in cheek on that last one)

Another example of something I didn't have a problem with in concept, more that Lucas did a poor job of telling an ambitious story, reminicent of something like Dune or Foundation, in that he was setting up some galaxy spanning events, and the dude just didn't have the chops he used to. (If he ever had, that's another argument)

I thought they did a poor job of telling the story as well, but I also thought the core concept was dumb. Sifo Dyas was a name given, but it was never confirmed how or why he did it. No one in the Jedi council or the Senate had any idea that the army was being created - which ought to be a pretty huge red flag.

And it was.

The Jedi are first of all stupid for blindly accepting and trusting the slave army. (They could have used them without trusting them, note.) And further, they are morally bankrupt for using a slave army, without giving them their freedom and insisting that slavery is wrong. The Republic could have stepped up drafting and training a regular military, which would have taken over before the end of the wars.

Hindsight is 20/20. As the audience, we knew the Jedi were in for a sudden yet inevitable betrayal. They had no idea the Sith lord was the Chancellor of the Republic, with the power to flip a proverbial switch to turn on his Galactic Empire. None of your suggestions would have changed things. The Republic needed an instant army that could match the sheer numbers of the Seperatist droid production capacity. The clones would always outnumber any conventional armies. (Barring a sucessful strike on the cloning facilities, which would be a victory stroke for the Seperatists.)

Plus, they should have devoted at least a lab to studying everything about the clones to know what all their orders are, for example.

I'm sure Chancellor Palpatine got a committee right on it.

I mean seriously, how the hell does the Old Republic not have a functioning military? That's just dumb.

Members seemed to be responsible for their own militaries. It seemed legal and above board for the Trade Federation to have a standing army of battle droids, and Naboo had it's own fighter squadrons and defense forces. We're talking about entire planets, not just states or provinces.

It would be a point in their favor that the Republic didn't need a standing army. Maybe things didn't work out 100% peacefully all the time, but it was peaceful enough that members were able to handle their own sovreign security needs, and there were no huge wars requiring the Republic to have, what would eventually have to be, a huge military to keep everyone in line.

[RandyB]

Lucas chose Kennedy before he sold to Disney.

Lucas. Chose. Kennedy.

Never forget.

[KingCheops]

Lucas chose Kennedy before he sold to Disney.

Lucas. Chose. Kennedy.

Never forget.

Yes he'd been working with her since the 70's.  She's on all the major movies (always fun to see Michael Moore as second unit director on the Indy films).  She's really good at doing the nuts and bolts of Hollywood.  She's a great producer.  She's fucking lousy as a creator.  I had never once heard of her being involved in the creative side until the sequel trilogy.  She was there to handle the money and booking everything.

Lucas and Filoni worked hand-in-hand in the passion project called The Clone Wars.  That series (despite some clunker storylines from time to time) is the pinnacle of Star Wars.  Filoni carried that through to Star Wars Rebels and was able to make the leap to live action in The Mandalorian.  He has zero experience actually running a production and Favreau was not on Star Wars at the time of the sale.  If Kennedy had been content to know her role and stay behind the curtains everything was fine.  But she decided the "Force is Female" and that she knew best for how to handle the franchise.  She thought she was the next Kevin Feige.  She's not.