Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[RPGPundit]

The idea that the vaccine "doesn't work" is idiotic. Again, look at stats for Uruguay, where vaccination (which was entirely voluntary, encouraged but in no way forced by the government) was a huge success and cases plummeted. Yes, they don't provide absolute protection, but they greatly reduce chances of infection, and if infected greatly reduce chances of hospitalization or death.

Yea man, life in South America is healthier in general. Climate probably helps too. The base everyday stress in the US alone knocks your immune system down significantly. Add that to all the fake soy stuff we eat, and Covid is far more deadlier.

Think I got the covid 2 weeks ago. Feels like breathing through a straw. Could've been the change of seasons dunno, still here.

What the fuck? First: Uruguay (and the rest of south america) is a third world country. It has far more people in the poverty line than the US or any 1st world nation. It has far less resources.
Second: The weather here oscillates between 1-17'C(33-62'F) in the winter and an average of 30-35'C(86-95F) in summer (sometimes getting as high as 45C/113F). But a huge percentage of housing here has no insulation, or indoor heating or AC. So while no one is probably going to freeze to death (except maybe some street people in the worst overnight chills), the climate and its variations can be harsh.

Third: while Uruguay has no starvation, some poorer people do have very bad diets or go hungry. And at all classes diet is at most a mixed bag: while the food we eat is healthier than most Americans, being organic and local for the most part, Uruguayans have a diet that incorporates all the least healthy parts of the mixed Spanish and Italian backgrounds, and leaves out all the best. Hardly any seafood in spite of being a coastal nation, but tons of pasta and rice and bread. Very little in the way of eating veggies. On the other hand, lots of sweets (Dulce de Leche!).
Physically, Uruguayans have higher than average levels of diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Psychologically, in spite of being one of the best off economies in Latin America (especially now), Uruguay has a very high suicide rate.


In Uruguay, the government rolled out its vaccines all at once, in massive numbers, to the entire country. So the whole nation went from 0% vaccinated to 70% vaccinated in like 4 weeks.
That made it uniquely useful for tracking purposes, and you can see that right after the vaccination starts, the Covid infection rates start to plummet. And have stayed there since then.

[Ratman_tf]

• The school shutdowns were never justified
• The lockdowns were never justified

I agree with all that, except these two points.
When the pandemic first started, information was sparse. I remember seeing pictures of people in China literally collapsing on the street.

Yeah, except, how did that happen? Why did that happen? Why did it not happen anywhere else? We were shown, by China, a lot of footage that made Covid seem like something out of Stephen King's The Stand: people just dropping dead in the sidewalk, medical staff in full containment suits, the government entombing people in a frantic attempt to stop the spread.

Kind of funny how nothing like that happened after, right? Just in China?

Of course. But at the time, I was thinking, if the CCP was covering up some kind of viral disaster, and these were the leaks, how bad was it really?

[Ghostmaker]

Keep in mind that China is held together with duct tape due to a number of things. Agricultural issues, the Three Gorges Dam, the rotting fruits of Communism, etc, etc.

Now, let's add something FUN to the mix. https://www.sourcingallies.com/blog/cha-bu-duo

'Cha bu duo'. Roughly translates as 'eh, good enough' or 'close enough' from Chinese.

Now, imagine that mentality applied to any kind of work where precision and process are important.

[Shasarak]

• The school shutdowns were never justified
• The lockdowns were never justified

I agree with all that, except these two points.
When the pandemic first started, information was sparse. I remember seeing pictures of people in China literally collapsing on the street.

Yeah, except, how did that happen? Why did that happen? Why did it not happen anywhere else? We were shown, by China, a lot of footage that made Covid seem like something out of Stephen King's The Stand: people just dropping dead in the sidewalk, medical staff in full containment suits, the government entombing people in a frantic attempt to stop the spread.

Kind of funny how nothing like that happened after, right? Just in China?

My favourite was the trucks driving along and spraying gawd knows what onto the street.

[Pat]

• The school shutdowns were never justified
• The lockdowns were never justified

I agree with all that, except these two points.
When the pandemic first started, information was sparse. I remember seeing pictures of people in China literally collapsing on the street.

Yeah, except, how did that happen? Why did that happen? Why did it not happen anywhere else? We were shown, by China, a lot of footage that made Covid seem like something out of Stephen King's The Stand: people just dropping dead in the sidewalk, medical staff in full containment suits, the government entombing people in a frantic attempt to stop the spread.

Kind of funny how nothing like that happened after, right? Just in China?

My favourite was the trucks driving along and spraying gawd knows what onto the street.

Whatever it was, it worked. China's had zero cases.

(Please ignore the pooh bear standing behind me and pressing a knife against my back.)

[Mistwell]

The "vaccine" is nothing of the sort and does fuck all. You need only look at Israel, the most vaccinated country on the planet, for the proof there. The jab is so effective they're now mandating fourth doses and are locked down again.

My country is one of the most vaccinated larger countries, the majority of people in hospital and dying have had two doses. More people are in hospital and dying with covid now, than was the case this time last year when hardly anyone was jabbed.

Literally everything you wrote is wrong.

Israel is not the most vaccinated country on the planet. It's not even vaguely close to that. They stalled out quite a while ago and are not even in the top 30. In fact most of Europe is ahead of them at this point. They stalled at 67% vaccinated (62% fully vaccinated). That's 2% and 1% ahead of the U.S., respectively. For reference, Pundit's Uruguay is WELL ahead of Israel at 79% and 74% respectively (putting them in the top 10).

The vast majority of those seriously ill from Covid in Israel are unvaccinated.

Israel has not mandated a fourth jab.

You're in Mexico I believe. 97% of hospitalizations in Mexico from Covid are the unvaccinated.

So yeah, literally everything you said is wrong.

[dkabq]

The "vaccine" is nothing of the sort and does fuck all. You need only look at Israel, the most vaccinated country on the planet, for the proof there. The jab is so effective they're now mandating fourth doses and are locked down again.

My country is one of the most vaccinated larger countries, the majority of people in hospital and dying have had two doses. More people are in hospital and dying with covid now, than was the case this time last year when hardly anyone was jabbed.

Literally everything you wrote is wrong.

Israel is not the most vaccinated country on the planet. It's not even vaguely close to that. They stalled out quite a while ago and are not even in the top 30. In fact most of Europe is ahead of them at this point. They stalled at 67% vaccinated (62% fully vaccinated). That's 2% and 1% ahead of the U.S., respectively. For reference, Pundit's Uruguay is WELL ahead of Israel at 79% and 74% respectively (putting them in the top 10).

The vast majority of those seriously ill from Covid in Israel are unvaccinated.

Israel has not mandated a fourth jab.

You're in Mexico I believe. 97% of hospitalizations in Mexico from Covid are the unvaccinated.

So yeah, literally everything you said is wrong.

From:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=PRY
2-dose = 26% of total pop
1-dose = 10% of total pop

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=ISR
2-dose = 64% of total pop
1-dose = 5.4% of total pop

Almost 27% of Israel's population is 0-14 years old. To the best of my knowledge, there is not an EUA vaccine for that age group.
https://www.indexmundi.com/israel/demographics_profile.html

I wish they would report the median number of co-morbidities associated with the groups discussed in the Israel article.

[Zelen]

Time to update the talking points guys, Israel's adult population is no longer 88% vaccinated, they are now 52% vaccinated.

Lets pray to god Sweden / Norway / Denmark are able to embarass enough of this bullshit to pull us out of the tailspin into perpetual medical tyranny.

[dkabq]

Time to update the talking points guys, Israel's adult population is no longer 88% vaccinated, they are now 52% vaccinated.

Lets pray to god Sweden / Norway / Denmark are able to embarass enough of this bullshit to pull us out of the tailspin into perpetual medical tyranny.

Is that 52% (total pop? eligible pop?) have had the booster?

[Zelen]

Is that 52% (total pop? eligible pop?) have had the booster?

Link because it's complicated.

1.6 million Israelis who had prior infection or prior 2-dose injection now must report for a mandatory booster or will be locked out from society.

[dkabq]

Is that 52% (total pop? eligible pop?) have had the booster?

Link because it's complicated.

1.6 million Israelis who had prior infection or prior 2-dose injection now must report for a mandatory booster or will be locked out from society.

Equal parts "1984" and "Brazil".

[Mistwell]

Time to update the talking points guys, Israel's adult population is no longer 88% vaccinated, they are now 52% vaccinated.

Lets pray to god Sweden / Norway / Denmark are able to embarass enough of this bullshit to pull us out of the tailspin into perpetual medical tyranny.

Once again with feeling: ISRAEL WAS NEVER 88% VACCINATED. ISRAEL WAS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 30 NATIONS FOR PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION VACCINATED. IT IS A MYTH THAT ISRAEL IS AHEAD OF MOST NATIONS IN GETTING PEOPLE VACCINATED. THAT MYTH CAME FROM EARLY ON WHEN VACCINES FIRST CAME OUT WHERE ISRAEL WAS VACCINATING PEOPLE FAST. THAT SLOWED DOWN HOWEVER, AND FELL WELL BEHIND EVENTUALLY.

Wherever that stupid 88% number came from, it's a lie. Israel hasn't even hit 70% of the population with a single dose of the vaccine. I think the numbers being passed around are things like "percentage of the population ELIGIBLE TO BE VACCINATED" or some nonsense like that. But Israel is a particularly young nation, with a lot of people not eligible to be vaccinated. They also are seeing a lot of younger people who are eligible to get the vaccine not getting it. And the Orthodox and Arab population is fairly hesitant to get it. This has led to Israel falling behind most of Europe.

[dkabq]

Time to update the talking points guys, Israel's adult population is no longer 88% vaccinated, they are now 52% vaccinated.

Lets pray to god Sweden / Norway / Denmark are able to embarass enough of this bullshit to pull us out of the tailspin into perpetual medical tyranny.

Once again with feeling: ISRAEL WAS NEVER 88% VACCINATED. ISRAEL WAS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 30 NATIONS FOR PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION VACCINATED. IT IS A MYTH THAT ISRAEL IS AHEAD OF MOST NATIONS IN GETTING PEOPLE VACCINATED. THAT MYTH CAME FROM EARLY ON WHEN VACCINES FIRST CAME OUT WHERE ISRAEL WAS VACCINATING PEOPLE FAST. THAT SLOWED DOWN HOWEVER, AND FELL WELL BEHIND EVENTUALLY.

Wherever that stupid 88% number came from, it's a lie. Israel hasn't even hit 70% of the population with a single dose of the vaccine. I think the numbers being passed around are things like "percentage of the population ELIGIBLE TO BE VACCINATED" or some nonsense like that. But Israel is a particularly young nation, with a lot of people not eligible to be vaccinated. They also are seeing a lot of younger people who are eligible to get the vaccine not getting it. And the Orthodox and Arab population is fairly hesitant to get it. This has led to Israel falling behind most of Europe.

"One more time with feeling, one more time with style..."   
https://youtu.be/L3sdxYol8NM

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=ISR
2-dose = 64% of total pop
1-dose = 5.4% of total pop

Almost 27% of Israel's population is 0-14 years old. To the best of my knowledge, there is not an EUA vaccine for that age group.
https://www.indexmundi.com/israel/demographics_profile.html

You are correct, Israel has not hit 70% total pop vaccination -- they reached 69.72%.

And given that:

    0.64 (% of pop w/ 2 shots) / 0.73 (% of pop eligible to be vaccinated) = 0.88

it looks like 88% is the percentage of eligible pop 2-shot vaccinated.

Is there a data set out there that contradicts these values? If so, can you post the link?

Regards.

[FelixGamingX1]

NZ just realized getting rid of covid isn't a choice. Oh my! Took them long enough. Wonder if AU will get the hint. Probably not?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/wireStory/zealand-admits-longer-rid-coronavirus-80389176

[Pat]

The totalitarian face of New South Wales resigned over the weekend, but it was over some stupid affair rather than the covid response. So probably not.