2020 Election Commentary

[SHARK]

dementia speaks.

The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.

I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.

It was the product of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html

If this audio had been published by Project Veritas people would be saying that it was deceptively edited. But since they heard it from WaPo obviously it was on the level (even though it was clearly deceptively edited and out of context).

Greetings!

Hey there, VisionStorm! You know, this whole media narrative that the MSM presents is mind-bogglingly stupid and obvious propaganda! What kind of moron listens to this *phone call* (That was LEAKED! Oh my God!)--and actually believes that the narrative about the phone call is in any way an accurate interpretation? And smug, condescending Liberals just love to crow about how "educated" they are, especially compared to the unwashed masses of--as Obama declared, "Those bitter clingers with their guns and their Bibles!" I read a brief media thing about Bernstein, the journalist involved with Watergate, evidently claiming that this phone call of President Trump is worse than Watergate! And more articles headed by claims that President Trump will be criminally prosecuted, and perhaps even impeached!

How the fuck can you listen to that phone call and come up with such a hysterical, bullshit interpretation as any of that? It is so terrible it's fucking funny. It reminds me of the absurd propaganda posters and such done about America by the Soviet Union in the 1950's, or some pathetic skit done by a crew of third-rate college drama-students high on Meth. Actual grown adults claim to seriously believe this stupid shit, you know? I watched the Fox News clip that Mistwell had included at the top of his post on this, where the nicely-dressed two Liberal women were taking this phone call seriously, and some smug cunt actually laughed mockingly at the Conservative woman on the program that was defending President Trump. These Liberal women are supposed to be "educated professionals"

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[consolcwby]

The
DESPAIR
in this thread is so palpable and full-bodied! Is it any wonder why some are determined to make it into WHINE! Pu-pu-pu-pu...
In the end, though, TRUTH is much more entertaining than FICTION ~ as the lies begin to be torn down! Then the TRUE ULTIMATE DESPAIR will begin!
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NARRATIVES:
https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1346108097690009600

RAFFENSPERGER:
https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1345961396337483786

What was the Deep State's plan?
They wanted America's economy to fall under COVID. Their plan was to weaken Trump, turn the people on him. Trump was suppose to be completely unpopular, so the election was going to be won easily with a little bit of cheating. But this didn't happen! Understand, the PLAN expected Trump to be FINISHED by December 1st, their plan backfired,they underestimated the American people. What did Trump do on the phone conversation? Trump had them lie on the record: is Dominion moving machines? nope, then Trump asked a very specific question: are they changing the parts out of the Dominion machines? he did this on purpose. Trump notified them that this was your last chance, we caught you and you can tell the truth now or go down with the ship, we have it all.

Optics are important, If Pence makes the decision to reject the electoral votes I do believe the optics would not look good. Trump has been pushing the Senate. Trump will present the fraud, video, data, dominion hacking etc. Senators will be put on the spot, what will they do with the world watching? They will need to reject and admit there has been election fraud.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/01/04/mccarthy-congress-should-debate-integrity-of-elections-to-unite-this-nation/

Why do those in Power wish to DESTROY innocent American LIVES? https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1345992806750433280

But. da protests! https://www.theepochtimes.com/national-guard-activated-to-help-support-police-during-pro-trump-protests_3642842.html
Some 100 National Guardsmen will be in Washington this week to help support police officers patrolling protests planned by President Donald Trump supporters this week. "We have received confirmation that the D.C. National Guard will be assisting the Metropolitan Police Department, beginning tomorrow through the life cycle of this event," Metropolitan Police Chief Robert Contee III told reporters at a press conference on Monday. National Guard personnel will be assisting police officers with crowd management and traffic control, freeing officers "to focus on anyone who's intent on instigating, agitating, or participating in violence in our city," he added. Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser, a Democrat, revealed she'd asked for National Guard personnel in a Dec. 31 letter to District of Columbia National Guard Commanding General William Walker. Bowser said guardsmen would not be armed and would not be engaged in domestic surveillance, searches, or seizures of Americans.
hmm...

[rawma]

The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.

I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.

Winning cases, even the slam dunk ones, still requires lawyers to respond for the defendants or as intervenors. Take a look at the many cases at democracydocket.com, which also includes cases against voter suppression schemes affecting future elections.

A random search result about the campaign's legal preparations:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/election-lawsuit-trump-biden-434101

The Biden campaign spent months building a voter protection unit that included a "boiler room" made up of hundreds of lawyers. It's led by former Obama White House counsel Bob Bauer and Dana Remus, who served as the campaign's general counsel.

[rawma]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

Unexpected but good of you to admit that the job of Republicans in state government is to steal elections.

[rawma]

Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.

I can't tolerate listening to Trump for more than about 10 seconds in row, so I'll never listen to either. But Tim Pool, who voted for Trump in this election but thinks Biden won, and is a progressive liberal who thinks Medicare for All and a UBI are good ideas, concludes there was nothing egregious, and it's the secretary of state of Georgia who comes out looking bad. The part about 11,700 votes is after discussion where Trump claims he won fairly, claims many voting irregularities in excess of the amount, and then says he only needs 11,700. There's nothing fraudulent about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2MoJp9ueMc

This Tim Pool? 

Listened to the entire Trump call.

The full thing is a lot of browbeating by Trump; Brad Raffensperger and Ryan Germany explain that his information is wrong. The areguments are the typical garbage that keeps getting posted here, that has been investigated and litigated and refuted, like more people voted in Detroit than live there which is wrong. There's repeated insistence that it was impossible for him not to win, that everyone thinks he won, and it's clear that Trump won't accept any answer except "Trump won". In between the rumors he says people are angry, that Raffensperger and Germany are at risk, asks Raffensperger to "recalculate". Trump's lawyers on the call insist that they have been thwarted because the Secretary of State won't give them information that Germany says they cannot by law give.

Listened to Pool's Youtube video.

Pool insists that the courts have dismissed these individual numbers, like the 5000 dead voters they claim (the Georgia Secretary of State says two), because by themselves they couldn't suffice to change the result. He asks if they need to combine these into one lawsuit; well, yes, you could call it a kraken lawsuit or behemoth or leviathan or whatever large mythical creature you like. If Trump has hundreds of thousands of votes he could sue to get, and he raised hundreds of millions of unspent dollars, why hasn't he sued already? He says that Raffensperger leaked the audio (apparently he did; after Lindsey Graham leaned on him to change the election result, they decided to record this call and planned to release it only if they were attacked or misrepresented), but offers as evidence that Raffensperger sounds like he's in the room and Trump sounds like he's over a speaker - my judgement of the audio quality listening to the recording Mistwell linked to was pretty much the reverse, though. The "confidential settlement discussion" excuse is not borne out by the recorded call. Pool discusses the "consent decree" which Germany said was not; Trump claimed it said so at the top but apparently it is labelled "Compromise Settlement Agreement and Release"; Pool mocks Ryan Germany for not having the document right in front of him or knowing it by heart. Trump seems astonished by people who move out of a state and later move back; this is not an uncommon pattern (move for a job or school or a relationship, move back to where family, friends and contacts are); Pool is sure he was able to conclusively check similar Arizona addresses and registrations.

I don't think the quotes are out of context, Pool notwithstanding. Meadows asking if they can "find a path forward that's less litigious" seems shady; why haven't they already litigated it if it's so certain, which would be more open and accepted if successful? The request to "recalculate" and say Trump won is pretty blatant. I do think impeachment now would be a silly waste of time, not because it's not deserved and wouldn't protect the country from some insanity, but because it would take too long and probably fail for the same reason as the last one. Let Georgia investigate it and decide what case they want to make.

Some fact checks.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/18/no-detroit-did-not-report-more-votes-than-people/?sh=371786c81baa
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-electoral-college-407d934b6649a4e4059ec28c4cb70512

[Pat]

This Tim Pool? 

Yep. He's an interesting mix. Progressive, but strongly anti-authoritarian, so he ends up favoring Trump over the establishment of either party, but can also be quite critical of him.

[Ratman_tf]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

Unexpected but good of you to admit that the job of Republicans in state government is to steal elections.

It's no secret that a good chunk of the GOP were pissed that Trump upset their feud with the Democrats over who gets more of the government pie.

[Shasarak]

It was the product of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

I think the most important thing is that the fraud was inclusive.

[Shasarak]

Winning cases, even the slam dunk ones, still requires lawyers to respond for the defendants or as intervenors. Take a look at the many cases at democracydocket.com, which also includes cases against voter suppression schemes affecting future elections.

Well, no.

Winning cases requires that you win cases.  Not sure how this tautology escaped you?

[Shasarak]

Unexpected but good of you to admit that the job of Republicans in state government is to steal elections.

This may be the day where I break my streak of disagreeing with rawma.

Of course the job of Republicans is to steal elections.  I see you have experience with politicians, yes?

[Pat]

The races for the two Senate races in Georgia have cost more than $830 million so far, making them the #1 and #2 most expensive Senate races in history. And those totals are expected to rise significantly once the final numbers are submitted to the FEC.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/532749-georgia-senate-races-shatter-spending-records

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, because 9 out of 10 of the most expensive Senate races happened in 2020 (the exception was in the far distant past of 2018).
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/12/most-expensive-races-of-all-time-senate2020/

When the price of something like a Senate seat appreciates so dramatically in value, what does it mean? A shortage could be the explanation, but the number of Senate seats doesn't seem to have changed. Maybe it's because the customers who are buying those seats feel they're getting more for their money than they used to?

[Shasarak]

When the price of something like a Senate seat appreciates so dramatically in value, what does it mean? A shortage could be the explanation, but the number of Senate seats doesn't seem to have changed. Maybe it's because the customers who are buying those seats feel they're getting more for their money than they used to?

How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?

[consolcwby]

When the price of something like a Senate seat appreciates so dramatically in value, what does it mean? A shortage could be the explanation, but the number of Senate seats doesn't seem to have changed. Maybe it's because the customers who are buying those seats feel they're getting more for their money than they used to?

How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?

Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!
Amazing!

[consolcwby]

THE DESPAIR IN THIS THREAD IS GLORIOUS!
We gotta keep it going! NO MATTER WHAT!
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The Globalists are now trying to convince the people that if we keep the system we are in and move forward with the great reset it will be better for everyone. They left out the reason why China became a manufacturing powerhouse. The economy improves once again. She's back, Judy Shelton is nominated once again.  Jan 6th is now almost upon us, what will Pence do, will he certify, throwout the electors or delay, we will soon see. But one thing we know for sure, it will not be for the Deep State.The Deep State will begin to push back. Trump is now ready to reveal something BIG over the next couple of weeks! He now has the swamp trapped, the election fraud is out in the open! How do the people take back the country? How do you introduce the Constitution to show the people the way? The storm is made up of Trump and we the people!

CHINA CHINA CHINA! KISS THE OSR AND IP GOODBYEE!
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1345414331790462977
"Yet as we explain this week (see article) it is in China, not the West, where the future of e-commerce is being staked out. Its market is far bigger and more creative, with tech firms blending e-commerce, social media and razzmatazz to become online-shopping emporia for 850m digital consumers. And China is also at the frontier of regulation, with the news on December 24th that trustbusters were investigating Alibaba, co-founded by Jack Ma, China's most celebrated tycoon, and until a few weeks ago its most valuable listed firm."

WHAT THE LEFT DOES NOT WANT: ECONOMIC RECOVERY!
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/01/05/v-shaped-recovery-manufacturing-defies-expectations-as-rebound-continues-despite-covid-surge/
"The strength of U.S. manufacturing appears to have been largely unshaken despite the recent surge in coronavirus infections. The Institute for Supply Management said  its manufacturing index rose to a reading of 60.7 in December from 57.5 in the prior month, marking the highest level since 2018. Economists had expected a small decline in the index, which is based on surveys of manufacturing sector senior executives. New orders matched their pandemic high at a reading of 67.9, up from 65.1, signaling that the sector has been more resilient in the face of the pandemic's winter surge than many other parts of the economy. President Donald Trump made strengthening U.S. manufacturing a key part of his campaign in 2016 and his administration deployed many policies to bolster the sector."

JUDY, JUDY, JUDY! LETS NOT TALK ABOUT JUDY!
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/04/trump-renominates-judy-shelton-federal-reserve-board/
"President Donald Trump again nominated Judy Shelton to the Federal Reserve's Board of Governors in a last-minute attempt to fill its only vacant seat before he leaves office. Trump renewed Shelton's nomination Sunday, the first day of the 117th Congress. She was originally nominated in 2019, but failed to be confirmed by the Senate in December. Her failed nomination came after retiring Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander announced his opposition to her confirmation and Sens. Chuck Grassley and Rick Scott were quarantining after being exposed to the coronavirus. Alexander has since been succeeded by Sen. Bill Haggerty, meaning that if Georgia Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler win their runoffs, Shelton could have enough support to be confirmed before President-elect Joe Biden takes office on Jan. 20."

FOR SOME, VERITAS MEANS TRUTH. TO OTHERS...
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1346303972479385601
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1346336111732404224
https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1346501380568215553

Eh? Where's PENCE?! DELAYed???
https://twitter.com/rollcall/status/1346473050078777356
https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-state-senators-pushing-pence-to-delay-jan-6-electoral-vote_3643538.html
"Republican state senators in Georgia started a push on Monday to delay the Jan. 6 counting of electoral votes. At least a dozen have signed a letter directed to Vice President Mike Pence asking him to officially delay the count—and the number is still growing."

There are also other senators from  Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Arizona also wrote letters sent to the Vice President, [telling him] we want the vice president to at least delay it 10 to 12 days." Jan 20th is date that matters Constitutionally: "Terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January". Will this depend on the Senators on how it is going in the Senate? How do you return the power to people? How do you introduce the constitution? People are now hearing it on the MSM, people want to know what it says and how it works!

My Take:
Trump will never forget
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1346304222405529601

Those who went against Trump will pay in the end, he will unseat each and everyone one of them in the next 4 years, how by telling the people and the people will vote them out!
1. Pence rejects electors from fraud states and sent back to state legislatures
2. Biden doesn't have 270 on 1/6
3. State legislatures convene hearings
4. Trump drops powerful new evidence
5. Fraud states decertify
6. 12A House Vote – 1 per state delegation
7. Trump 2nd term

This election is NOT over!
WWG1WGA!

[Shasarak]

How much do you think Kamala will be able to get for hers?

Are you suggesting someone would actually be willing to buy Kamala's used seat?!
Amazing!

Whats your offer?

My Take:
Trump will never forget
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1346304222405529601

Those who went against Trump will pay in the end, he will unseat each and everyone one of them in the next 4 years, how by telling the people and the people will vote them out!
1. Pence rejects electors from fraud states and sent back to state legislatures
2. Biden doesn't have 270 on 1/6
3. State legislatures convene hearings
4. Trump drops powerful new evidence
5. Fraud states decertify
6. 12A House Vote – 1 per state delegation
7. Trump 2nd term

This election is NOT over!
WWG1WGA!

I have no confidence in Mike Pence.

I think it is time to accept that the Democrat machine stole this one fair and square.